Serena Williams was Right?

[Praxeas]

Btw if you believe women can take self defense and they don't can you see how you are saying they deserve to be raped? No? Yet thats what you keep saying about anyone that suggests women can and should try to prevent rape.

In the real world we call that a double standard or hypocrisy

[Evenuntodeath]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Your portrayal of what I said is dishonest. I would appreciate you not accusing me of making statements about victims when you know I told you I am talking about advice to women who are not victims to prevent becoming one.

Is it really, Praxeas?? Maybe you ought to take a second look at your statements and evaluate the message you are really sending. I am not the only poster to whom you gave the impression of blaming the victim.

Second so you are saying the ONLY prevention is self defense classess?

Can you comment on that post from the Sa Diego DAs office and all the other professionals that supported and contributed to that list of preventative measures women take?

You keep asking questions when if you go back read what i said, you would find your answers. I make myself VERY clear on how I feel about preventative measures and the proper actions I believe would be more effective. Again, see previous posts.

[Praxeas]

I made t very clear to you I was looking at Serena's "tips" as practical advice to all women. I never said I agree with directing those comments to a rape victim. I made that VERY clear

[Evenuntodeath]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Btw if you believe women can take self defense and they don't can you see how you are saying they deserve to be raped? No? Yet thats what you keep saying about anyone that suggests women can and should try to prevent rape.

In the real world we call that a double standard or hypocrisy

Not at all. Again, comparing apples and oranges. If a woman CHOOSES to, she can take self defense classes.

Advising women not to drink or not take drinks from a bartender just in case she could be raped is nonsensical and rather condescending. People party, people have fun, and yes people drink. Why should women avoid drinking as a way of preventing rape?? After all, men are raped too. Should men also avoid drinking and taking drinks from strangers??

[Evenuntodeath]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I made t very clear to you I was looking at Serena's "tips" as practical advice to all women. I never said I agree with directing those comments to a rape victim. I made that VERY clear

Serena's comments were directed towards the rape victim and they partially blamed the victim. If that was not your intention, then maybe next time you should be careful as to who you cosign.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Evenuntodeath

Serena's comments were directed towards the rape victim and they partially blamed the victim. If that was not your intention, then maybe next time you should be careful as to who you cosign.

If? If? How many times did I say to you alone that I was talking only about advice to all women to prevent becoming a victim? Hmmm? I told you MANY MANY times. The problem is yours.

[Esaias]

3 measures would undoubtedly prevent most rapes.

1. Returning to the biblically prescribed punishment for rape - public execution.

2. Women being taught effective self defense measures, which would necessarily require weapons training with handgun and knife/knife substitute (like a kubotan, etc). Proper effective training would instill a mentality that should a man attempt to rape such a trained woman, the man would be blessed if he merely died at her hands, as opposed to living the rest of his days as a crippled eunuch.

3. Men being taught not only that they are responsible to all women to ensure their safety (as men used to be taught), but also that if one's daughter, mother, wife, sister etc were raped and justice was not forthcoming then the criminal better find a 'city of refuge' before the men of the town find him.

Nice? No. But neither is rape. Rapists and other assorted criminals look for what they perceive are easy targets with minimal consequences to their actions. Make it cost more than they want to pay and you reduce the incidence rate.

[Praxeas]

Teaching men what is right or not won't solve the problem and self defense only works if the woman is not incapacitated.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Teaching men what is right or not won't solve the problem

I never said it would 'solve the problem'. If teaching men (ie TRAINING them from the time they are children) to treat women properly and biblically is useless, then the church has no purpose in this world whatsoever, as teaching men is useless and doesn't 'solve the problem' (whatever problem might be contemplated).

and self defense only works if the woman is not incapacitated.

Self defense works to keep a person from becoming incapacitated. Incapacitation is what allows rape to occur - a woman is overpowered, either by physical force or by pharmaceutical force, or by psychological force. Until a woman is overpowered, she cannot be raped. Proper and effective self defense training gives one the skills to prevent being overpowered - either physically, psychologically, or pharmaceutically. There is always the off chance you will be sucker punched and blind sided.

And there are no guarantees in life when it comes to dealing with violence. Proper training enables one to see that and adjust accordingly.

[Esaias]

BTW, Prax, I don't think you read my entire post.