I guess my problem with that college is it's extreme dispensational views that trickled down into their students. These views distorted their real life perspectives.
From the book- "It is true that Dan Lewis openly criticized dispensational pre-mellennialism in classrooms on the grounds that these were not official UPC doctrines, despite the fact that many considered them unassailably orthodox. Lewis made a significant transition in his own thinking on matters of eschatology while at Jackson. He arrived on the faculty in 1976 from Portland as a confirmed dispensationalist. However, by 1981 he had completely abandoned that hermeneutical position. He deliberately exposed students to a variety of eschatological option including but not limited to those advanced by many influential twentieth-century theologians such as Albert Schweitzer, Jurgen Moltmann, Rudolph Bultmann and C.H. Dodd. Lewis did not attempt to influence his students to adopt any particular point of view but he did intentionally not emphasize the dispensational model. This perspective was made explicit in the teaching materials which stated "no attenpt will be made to force students into acceptance of any particular mode of interpretation nor will there be any favoritism shown to 'pet' systems."
Fudge reminds me of a scientist who writes out his hypothesis, then sets out trying to find the proof by throwing out everything that disagrees with it...
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Aegsm76, have you read the book?
I read CWOC. I agree with ageism76. Taking it a step further this new offering confirms my suspicion that the good fudge is just a hater with atpye writer.
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I see no issue with Fudge writing either of these books, they relate to a context of his own experience. He is a historian, I don't see "hate" as his motivation. While his context is PCI and Northwestern, he seems to write of unsavory aspects of those of whom he has more agreement, as well as those of whom he has less. Anyway, both of these books show clearly that religious men and institutions are all imperfect. Yet he is presenting what he believes he has discovered as facts, with extensive footnotes.
While his primary focus is CBC in this latest book, he details what he considers parallels with the history of three or four other religious groups. Spotlights how men react to protect their territory, sometimes in very human ways.
It will be interesting to see the response of those whom were at CBC, and JSM during the time of which he writes.
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I see no issue with Fudge writing either of these books, they relate to a context of his own experience. He is a historian, I don't see "hate" as his motivation. While his context is PCI and Northwestern, he seems to write of unsavory aspects of those of whom he has more agreement, as well as those of whom he has less. Anyway, both of these books show clearly that religious men and institutions are all imperfect. Yet he is presenting what he believes he has discovered as facts, with extensive footnotes.
While his primary focus is CBC in this latest book, he details what he considers parallels with the history of three or four other religious groups. Spotlights how men react to protect their territory, sometimes in very human ways.
It will be interesting to see the response of those whom were at CBC, and JSM during the time of which he writes.
I am not familiar with "JSM". Was this a secret Bible College only known to those approved?
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Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
i am not familiar with "jsm". Was this a secret bible college only known to those approved?
JCM!! You exploit my ignorance!! LOL
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
The whole substance of this book is really the clash of the ideologies from the merger, unfortunately, it seems that one side was hell-bent on eradicating the other side from the organization. Unfortunately, many casualties resulted, instead of a diverse and powerful movement for the kingdom of God. On the other hand who can really quantify what the true long range effect of the disruption and scattering??
It seems this book would be mostly of interest to folks that were in the UPC 30+ years ago, that would have a sense of the context. To later folks, it seems it would be just humans squabbling.
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So I would like to first say I appreciate Dr. Fudge's efforts in his two books.
I would recommend both of Dr. Fudge's books to ALL APOSTOLOICS! Regardless of politics or theology, there is more that one opinion in Apostolic circles. More in understanding and learning only improves ones beliefs.
I thoroughly enjoyed this book. Fudge is more diplomatic in his latest book. His tone is more like 'all denominations have problems let's learn from our past'. One thing which is a small criticism is that the book could be 100 pages shorter. I know that is not Fudges style but after hearing the same argument the sixth time it gets monotonous.
I did not know about Don Fisher. The end of the book is like a kick in the gut. REALLY!!!
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So I would like to first say I appreciate Dr. Fudge's efforts in his two books.
I would recommend both of Dr. Fudge's books to ALL APOSTOLOICS! Regardless of politics or theology, there is more that one opinion in Apostolic circles. More in understanding and learning only improves ones beliefs.
I thoroughly enjoyed this book. Fudge is more diplomatic in his latest book. His tone is more like 'all denominations have problems let's learn from our past'. One thing which is a small criticism is that the book could be 100 pages shorter. I know that is not Fudges style but after hearing the same argument the sixth time it gets monotonous.
I did not know about Don Fisher. The end of the book is like a kick in the gut. REALLY!!!
Likewise, however, I do remember him being in St. Louis involved with Word of Flame and the national youth leadership. Didn't know he was in Mississippi, nor where he had gone from St. Louis.
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
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