Interesting Trinitarian Statement - trithestic?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Great - thank you - give me just a bit of time and I'll post you something

Also the absurdity of God, the Holy One, having three personalities and then saying something like " I Am that I AM".

Oh, the most important thing, the word, person, as used by Trinitarians to describe the three subsistences of God.

[ManOfWord]

If trinitarianism is a "doctring of devils" (and I am oneness through and through) then what "demonic" activity does it lead those people into? What godless behavior does it promote? What is the "damnable action" those who subscribe to it engage in?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Gee I'd love to see you prove that

sure. I belive the Water Spirit Doctrine that one must repent, be baptized in Jesus Name and recieve the Holy Ghost to be saved.

therefore if one is baptized in the titles (wich almost all trinitarians are) one is not saved. period.

if you dont believe the above, then you dont agree with me. But if you do agree with the statement as written, then you are not what I am.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by H2H

The Trinitarian doctrine was formulated primarily by well-meaning church leaders who wished to purge the church of heresies much more damnable than Trinitarianism it'self.

how can you be more damnable than distroying the Apostles doctrine and preventing a billion people from being saved according to the command of scripture?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

If trinitarianism is a "doctring of devils" (and I am oneness through and through) then what "demonic" activity does it lead those people into? What godless behavior does it promote? What is the "damnable action" those who subscribe to it engage in?

Untruth

Maybe a form of idolatry since they are not worshipping the one true God and definitely another Jesus.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

The trinity is not the Devils greatest tool, IMO. He is the chiefest of all liars. He is a Liar. If you are saying that the "trinity" is the biggest thing the devil has used to confuse some people that is true. If he can get someone confused he can draw them away. But to say the Trinity is sending someone to hell that is a stretch. I believe one God only and Jesus is His name. The devil will never stop at trying to get someone to see a Trinity. He may use that to take them away from God altogether. But God on the other hand can use the thought of a Trinity to lead people to HIM and HIM alone.

Think about it.

Looks like you want to argue over symantics. tool, deception, method of confusion...what ever. if you are baptized in the titles you are not saved.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

If trinitarianism is a "doctring of devils" (and I am oneness through and through) then what "demonic" activity does it lead those people into? What godless behavior does it promote? What is the "damnable action" those who subscribe to it engage in?

MOW, in very simple terms, and repeating myself. In my view if you aren’t following the Apostles doctrine with is encapsulated in Peter’s sermon in Acts 2, then repeated in Acts 4, 8 (twice), 10 and 19 (did I get them all?)

Then you are not saved. The doctrine of the Trinity has led more people into a false sense of salvation than any other practice within the realm of Christendom. Therefore you can call it a doctrine of devils or you can call it Satan’s greatest tool, or you can call it the Great Lie or The Great Delusion. What ever you call it, the doctrine of the trinity is heresy and damnable.

[ManOfWord]

A very good discussion of the use of the word persons is found in Chan's book. I will submit a shameless plug for it here. I have it and read it. I think it is worth mentioning here. Chan certainly has deep roots in Oneness doctrine and his handling of the controversial "persons" is worth the read.

I do think it very true that most Trinitarians don't know what Oneness beliefs are and vice versa...notice I said most and not all.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Looks like you want to argue over symantics. tool, deception, method of confusion...what ever. if you are baptized in the titles you are not saved.

That is not what your first post said though. We can not cast someone into the saved and unsaved catagories. I am not arguing symantics. I am arguing that your argument has no foot to stand on. The devil can use confusion to draw people away. But to say that the Devil uses the "trinity" is ubsurd. That is a false argument. Some people baptism a certain way because of Matthew 28:19, some see it differently because of Acts. The truth is that there is only one true Biblical form, but to say the Devil uses Matthew 28:19 to send people to hell....that is really, really a shaky argument.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Ferd

MOW, in very simple terms, and repeating myself. In my view if you aren’t following the Apostles doctrine with is encapsulated in Peter’s sermon in Acts 2, then repeated in Acts 4, 8 (twice), 10 and 19 (did I get them all?)

Then you are not saved. The doctrine of the Trinity has led more people into a false sense of salvation than any other practice within the realm of Christendom. Therefore you can call it a doctrine of devils or you can call it Satan’s greatest tool, or you can call it the Great Lie or The Great Delusion. What ever you call it, the doctrine of the trinity is heresy and damnable.

OK, so a person gets baptized in Jesus' name, receives the HG lives a holy life and loves God will all their heart, soul, mind and strength and still believes the doctrine of the trinity simply because they don't have the revelation yet.......You're saying they're as lost as a goose in a snowstorm?