Believers of Acts 2:38 down through history? - Page 5

Esaias · #41 03-12-2018, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

My belief, as previously stated, is that there couldn't be a gap of nearly 1800 years of no one saved, holding truth, having the light of the Gospel. I believe any Christian you find throughout history or who is alive today (from nearly any school of thought) would agree with that general belief.

But where my conviction was hard pressed was that history didn't appear to show anyone holding the Acts 2:38 understanding that we hold today. This would require God to move sovereignly, granting mercy on those few sincere souls who desired truth, but had no one to show them the way more perfectly, down through the ages.

What I'm saying in this thread is that it looks like I found evidence of individuals (and perhaps groups) who actually believed as we do, at least as it relates to there being one God and Jesus name baptism, down through history.

Essentially, EB provided the notion that such people existed... even if we don't find evidence. But his thought process ended there. I've been investigating possibilities to flesh out his notion. Why? Because if I find evidence that those individuals and bodies existed... I will have no issue with agreeing with EB that indeed there were Acts 2:38 believers down through history.

Yes, I was looking for data to refute my own conclusion. And, if what is in the first three posts I've posted on this thread is true... I'm encouraged. But, I'm the guy with an agenda.

Of course, I'm seen in a bad light no matter what I say or do because they don't value inquiring minds. They only value mindless and obedient drones. lol

I cannot believe you misunderstood my question.

Esaias · #42 03-12-2018, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

As per the original post, I would suggest focussing on finding Oneness Pentecostals in the USA prior to 1913.

To the best of my knowledge, there are none in the USA prior to 1913.

I believe I have previously posted evidence of American Pentecostals baptizing in Jesus' name with a Oneness view prior to 1913. Also, of Pentecostals prior to 1913 believing the Pentecostal baptism was the receiving of the Spirit and NOT a "second, post regeneration" experience.

If I asked you "can you provide evidence of Americans speaking in tongues prior to 1905" could you do it? And if not, what conclusion(s) should be drawn?

Evang.Benincasa · #43 03-12-2018, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I cannot believe you misunderstood my question.

You have to read his posts from the bottom up.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes, I was looking for data to refute my own conclusion. And, if what is in the first three posts I've posted on this thread is true... I'm encouraged. But, I'm the guy with an agenda.

Of course, I'm seen in a bad light no matter what I say or do because they don't value inquiring minds. They only value mindless and obedient drones. lol

One needs to ask who are the they? Inquiring minds are sincerely looking for truth. Chris has proven to us that isn't his goal, but only enjoys playing devil's advocate. Yet, when he gets cornered he gets upset, and starts to talk smack. Sorry, but I can't follow his reasoning, because he can't follow his reasoning. Now, he is back to Acts 2:38 and that if you didn't get Acts 2:38 well, God lets you in anyway, because you are ecclesiastically chill. Really?
Where Chris really caught himself in a crack is where he brings up his candy stick of Western European Dark Ages. Where the Western Roman Church is subjugating the mud farmers and their priests were dumber than Dade County pine stumps. Therefore God had to 86 His plan of salvation, put the breaks on the Spirit of Truth guiding into all Truth, and come up with another way. This way would make Him a kinder, gentler, nicer sovereign God. One who would suit Chris, and his "softness????" Seriously? Chris, do you even lift? Yet, Chris and some others won't broaden this logic to other cultures who hadn't the chance even at Christianity, and the Gospel. Not that it hand't reached them, but they never had opportunity to reference it. Can O Worms, which leads to even sadder conclusions.

thephnxman · #44 03-12-2018, 10:04 PM

His NAME is Jesus!

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Originally Posted by Aquila

What I find interesting is that I found details that causes me to pause and consider agreeing with them... evidence
that could validate what they claim to believe... and instead of rubbing it in a little (because such is to be expected)
and seeing my desire for truth, and my integrity with even producing details that contradicted my own understanding...
they're still mocking and arguing with me. LOL!!!
They're Heaven is locked up tight from everyone... even those who come to realize the truth they profess to teach. LOL

You missed the mark...

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but
that the world through him might be saved." And you, sir, don't seem
to get it. We preach the gospel that saves so that they who will hear and
believe "...might be saved." Unfortunately, you repeat Acts 2:38, but then
you will add foolishness upon foolishness.

The Apostle John warned us about people like you, saying: "For many shall
come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." Yes: you
have implied that you are anointed to preach and teach, and there are some
among this forum whom you have fooled...having first deceived yourself.

Brother Villa

houston · #45 03-13-2018, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm a work in progress. I lay no claim to having it all figured out or having all my questions answered.

Regression is not progression.

houston · #46 03-13-2018, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!

You missed the mark...

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but
that the world through him might be saved." And you, sir, don't seem
to get it. We preach the gospel that saves so that they who will hear and
believe "...might be saved." Unfortunately, you repeat Acts 2:38, but then
you will add foolishness upon foolishness.

The Apostle John warned us about people like you, saying: "For many shall
come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." Yes: you
have implied that you are anointed to preach and teach, and there are some
among this forum whom you have fooled...having first deceived yourself.

Brother Villa

Yes..!

Aquila · #47 03-13-2018, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You have to read his posts from the bottom up.

One needs to ask who are the they? Inquiring minds are sincerely looking for truth. Chris has proven to us that isn't his goal, but only enjoys playing devil's advocate. Yet, when he gets cornered he gets upset, and starts to talk smack. Sorry, but I can't follow his reasoning, because he can't follow his reasoning. Now, he is back to Acts 2:38 and that if you didn't get Acts 2:38 well, God lets you in anyway, because you are ecclesiastically chill. Really?
Where Chris really caught himself in a crack is where he brings up his candy stick of Western European Dark Ages. Where the Western Roman Church is subjugating the mud farmers and their priests were dumber than Dade County pine stumps. Therefore God had to 86 His plan of salvation, put the breaks on the Spirit of Truth guiding into all Truth, and come up with another way. This way would make Him a kinder, gentler, nicer sovereign God. One who would suit Chris, and his "softness????" Seriously? Chris, do you even lift? Yet, Chris and some others won't broaden this logic to other cultures who hadn't the chance even at Christianity, and the Gospel. Not that it hand't reached them, but they never had opportunity to reference it. Can O Worms, which leads to even sadder conclusions.

I see where you're going with this. But it's more than that. It hinges on the question of when one experiences justification by faith. At what point do you believe one becomes justified by faith?