Netanyahu: I will name a golan town after trump

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

If you’re one that believes a written lineage establishing a “pure Jewish bloodline” back to Abraham and Adam still exists, ask yourself why the lineage for the priest candidates in Rabbi Richman’s Temple Institute in Jerusalem is researched only back to their great-grandfather. This is where this practice is admitted:

“Kohanim, priests directly descended from Moses’s brother Aaron, are recognized by the Institute as such IF THEIR PATERNAL GRANDFATHER OBSERVED THE TRADITION.” (Jerusalem Post, Third Temple Preparations begin with Priestly Garb, 2008)

Tracking your lineage to your “paternal grandfather” would in no way satisfy what is biblically commanded to qualify a man to be a Jewish priest.

Since no written lineage exists today, some preachers claim that DNA can be substituted as evidence. DNA experts would disagree for they know there is no test that can prove the purity of a bloodline. Thus, there is no test that gives absolute proof of a pure Cohen bloodline going back to Aaron’s priestly family and beyond. Therefore, DNA evidence cannot meet God’s stipulations for qualifying a person for the Levitical priesthood. This 60 Minute’s broadcast focused on the good and bad of DNA testing:

“‘This business of genetic genealogy is fraught with limitations. For one thing, it can only provide information about a tiny fraction of our ancestry. Because we get half our DNA from our mothers and a half from our fathers, almost all of our DNA gets shuffled and remixed every generation, making it impossible to trace what comes from whom. There are just two bits of DNA that remain pure – the ‘Y’ chromosome, which passes directly from father to son, and something called ‘mitochondrial DNA’, which passes unchanged from mother to child.’ 



Hank Greely, a law professor at Stanford University, has studied this new field. He worries that people don’t realize just how many ancestors they actually have.



‘Eight generations ago both you and I had 256 great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents.’ Wait, you’re saying if you go back eight generations we have 256 great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents? ‘Yes, it doubles every generation. So you’ve got two parents. You have four grandparents. You have eight great grandparents. Sixteen great-great-grandparents. And it adds up fast. It adds up so fast in fact that if you go back 20 generations you’ve got over a million grandparents.’ 



1,048,576 to be exact. And in each generation, DNA testing can provide information about only two of them. 



‘So you could be Peruvian on your mother’s mother’s mother’s side. Japanese on your father’s father’s father’s side. Swedish on everything else.’ And you’ll never know. ‘You’ll never know Swedish from the ‘Y’ chromosome from the mitochondrial DNA.’” (60 Minutes, Rebuilding the Family Tree)

Not only do those candidates hoping to perform animal sacrifices or become the Jewish High Priest need a written lineage proving they have a pure Kohanim bloodline, but more specifically, they must prove they are from the priestly line of Zadok (see Ezekiel 43:19, Ezekiel 44:15-17, Ezekiel 48:11-12). Why a lineage from Zadok? It is no coincidence that the name Zadok means “righteousness.” It appears his descendants were chosen because of Zadok’s faithfulness to David’s throne. He stood with David during the time of Absalom’s rebellion (see 2 Samuel 15:24-29). He also stood with Solomon in preference to Adonijah (see 1 Kings 1:8, 1 Kings 1:39). Because of his fidelity, God made Zadok’s decedents the exclusive line of priests to serve at the altar of sacrifice and in the office of High Priest.

The dilemma for Dispensational teachers is there is no such written lineage to prove who is and who is not of the priestly line of Zadok. DNA testing certainly cannot do this. Nevertheless, the Bible demands a proven lineage, for, without it, there can be no purification from the ashes of a red heifer…ashes which only a Zadok priest can prepare…and the problem goes around and around and around (see Numbers 19:3–10).

Names on tombstones, DNA testing, and tracing one’s family tree back to a paternal grandfather does not satisfy the command for carefully documented genealogy like those found in the book of Numbers, Matthew 1, and Luke 3. Regarding priestly genealogy, the following quote is from Rabbi Alfred J. Kolatch. He has authored about 50 books including The Jewish Home Advisor, This is the Torah and Jewish Book of Why. In his book, Inside Judaism: The Concepts, Customs, And Celebrations of the Jewish People, he writes:

“Despite the acceptance of proselytes the equals of unborn Jews, in Jewish Law certain limitations are placed upon the convert, the most oppressive being that of a priest (Cohen) may not marry a convert, although a daughter of a Cohen may marry a convert. The reason offered is since early proselytes came from heathen stock, they were considered tainted. Therefore, a priest, who was expected to be as unblemished as the sacrifice he offered on the altar, was not permitted to marry a woman whose past life might reflect negatively on his character, or stigmatize his offspring. 



Today, only the orthodox community abides by these restitutions. The position taken by the Rabbinical Assembly (Conservative) is that since today’s priests, in general, are of uncertain genealogy and there is no way to prove to them that they are descendants of the family of Aaron of the tribe of Levi, the ruling has lost its validity. They also argue that it is unfair and even embarrassing to admit a female proselyte to the Jewish fold, but then to deny her the right to marry a Cohen, based on a regulation that might have had validity when the Temple existed but is no longer a factor in Jewish life. The reestablishment of the Temple, they argue, is not anticipated. The Reform and Reconstructionist rabbinate share the Conservative view.” (Inside Judaism: The Concepts, Customs, And Celebrations of the Jewish People, Alfred J. Kolatch, The Priestly Family, page 135)

Did you see that Kolatch admitted that today “There is no way to prove that they are descendants of the family of Aaron of the tribe of Levi”?

Yet, the disagreement for me is not trying to find a priest. My view is that bloodlines began in the beginning and they don’t end just because records were destroyed for Preterists or anyone else in 70 AD.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

They are people, just like anyone else in need of salvation. That is how I believe God views them. You want to bring dispensationalism into the conversation, but the bottom line is that they are just people. And it just sounds like y’all hate them or something.

You also don’t know when or who among them will have their eyes opened. Who would have thought Saul/Paul would believe in Jesus Christ. You are writing them off and it isn’t your place to do that.

Good word.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yet, the disagreement for me is not trying to find a priest. My view is that bloodlines began in the beginning and they don’t end just because records were destroyed for Preterists or anyone else in 70 AD.

Sister, it wasn’t any eschatology group which came up with the idea of genealogy. It was God. It is how God determined how Israel was to keep their lineage. Sorry.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

America has always supported our Democratic allies. As for our borders, we do need to do more, but there are Constitutional arguments that must be hashed out in Congress. The 14th Amendment being one. We can argue about that all day. It will have to be decided by the Supreme Court.



You always come across as angry and hateful toward those you dialogue with. The bold is case in point. You always insult anyone who disagrees with you.
We should compile a list of everyone you have called, stupid, ignorant, etc.,...

"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Acts 10:34

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28

Maybe you are surprised that someone could defend a country that is our largest and only Democratic ally in the region while also believing that they must obey Acts 2:38 because there is no other message whereby they will be saved.

Sister, I can pick up anyone’s post (except MawMaw) to perceive their passion as anger. But, no one here in this thread is being a hater. Yet, what I’m looking for is your educated and studious rebuttal.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sister, it wasn’t any eschatology group which came up with the idea of genealogy. It was God. It is how God determined how Israel was to keep their lineage. Sorry.

I believe that was the case during a working Theocracy. My point is that our family genealogy has been traced to Poland and Germany as far as records go. Even if my records can’t be accounted for beyond the era, which I can’t recall, it doesn’t mean our bloodline stopped. So, to say that there is no genealogy tracing back to the tribe of Judah or any other tribe is false.

Now you can see that I don’t have a Levitical priesthood in mind but simply JEWISH PEOPLE. You and Esaias are saying NONE could be traced by blood, but you can’t prove that to be true.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sister, I can pick up anyone’s post (except MawMaw) to perceive their passion as anger. But, no one here in this thread is being a hater. Yet, what I’m looking for is your educated and studious rebuttal.

Calling people “ignorant” any time they disagree isn’t a supporting Christian argument. I have never seen or heard Bro. Bernard act in that fashion. It also isn’t a good representation of this forum. Sorry

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Calling people “ignorant” any time they disagree isn’t a supporting Christian argument. I have never seen or heard Bro. Bernard act in that fashion. It also isn’t a good representation of this forum. Sorry

Is Brother David Bernard your pastor?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I believe that was the case during a working Theocracy. My point is that our family genealogy has been traced to Poland and Germany as far as records go. Even if my records can’t be accounted for beyond the era, which I can’t recall, it doesn’t mean our bloodline stopped. So, to say that there is no genealogy tracing back to the tribe of Judah or any other tribe is false.

Now you can see that I don’t have a Levitical priesthood in mind but simply JEWISH PEOPLE. You and Esaias are saying NONE could be traced by blood, but you can’t prove that to be true.

Sis, traced by blood isn’t found in the Bible. Traced by family lineage is found in the Bible. Why are lineages recorded in the Bible in the first place? Why are we given the genealogy of Jesus? Why is it important? If I call someone ignorant it is because they are. They are ignorant of the topics being discussed. It doesn’t make them a bad person, just makes them ignorant of the topic. Not being able to trace your genealogy means what? You actually prove my argument by your example. An example that may stretch back a 100 years? But you expect people to believe there are Jews who can trace back a complete linage back to Ezra? You would be able to faster trace your lineage to King David’s sling shot maker.

So explain why they had geneaolies, lineages, and pedigrees?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sis, traced by blood isn’t found in the Bible. Traced by family lineage is found in the Bible. Why are lineages recorded in the Bible in the first place? Why are we given the genealogy of Jesus? Why is it important? If I call someone ignorant it is because they are. They are ignorant of the topics being discussed. It doesn’t make them a bad person, just makes them ignorant of the topic. Not being able to trace your genealogy means what? You actually prove my argument by your example. An example that may stretch back a 100 years? But you expect people to believe there are Jews who can trace back a complete linage back to Ezra? You would be able to faster trace your lineage to King David’s sling shot maker.

So explain why they had geneaolies, lineages, and pedigrees?

So, “today” the process used would be genetic genealogy. It would be the same thing using a different process. They didn’t have the capability during the time of Ezra.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So, “today” the process used would be genetic genealogy. It would be the same thing using a different process. They didn’t have the capability during the time of Ezra.

Well dont know that for sure because the Bible speaks only on what the Bible speaks on and it DOESNT speak about genetic testing.


Saying that it would be done through genetic testing is kinda putting words in Gods mouth that He didnt say and thats not even covering how the Near Kinsman thing would work since if we just used genetic testing.


Also the Jewish faith is traditionally Matrilineal and I have no idea when that started...but isnt there alot thats passed on only by the father?