San Diego UPC Choir TEARS IT UP with Michael English and Mark Lowry

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Margies3

Surely you are kidding, right? I know some guys who have very 'feminine mannerisms' but they are definately not gay!

Oh how easily we want to judge, eh? Sad, just sad.

Now if there was something concrete to base this on, that would be different. for instance if ML had said, "Let me introduce you to my boyfriend" - well, then, ok. I'd step right out of the way and let people say what they want.

I dunno.......... I guess I just don't understand all these assumptions.

*********walking away, shaking my head**************

I think he is straight. But there is a question. However, just because he is single, has funny mannerisms and loves his momma does not mean he is gay. It means he is a single man, with funny mannerisms, and he loves him momma.

[ReformedDave]

I remember that event. They even tried to recruit me in the choir. I made it through one practice then I thought, "What are you doing?" and didn't go back.

At that time their music director was Karen Harding so that was the ML and ME connection.

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Honestly, this amazes me! These men's lifestyles both leave much to be desired, and yet a UPC choir ministers with them?????? Sorry, but I think it's a joke. We are called libs, and we wouldn't have either one of them on our platform. What happened to discernment? Sorry, NLYP, to rain on this parade, but I just find this ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Michael English's ex-wife, Lisa, was at our July 4th cook-out. Her current husband, Ken Abraham, is 10X the husband and christian that Michael was/is! Ken can't sing very well though!!! He is extremely good at writing books!

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Oh brother! It is well known that he had an extra-marital affair!

Yah, he made a mistake . . . same as some ministers I know.

Michael English was my favorite Christian artist, and still is.

Unfortunately the whole of Christiandom tossed him under the bus.

He went on tour with FirstCall, which was a group of three. A married couple and another married lady, Marabeth Jordan. Michael was on this tour for several months without his wife. During the course of the tour he and Marabeth got close and, unfortunately, made a regretful mistake.

Marabeth had a miscarriage, likely from the trauma the affair caused.

Michael had just won several awards the previous week, but sent them back to the GMA stating that he felt he could not keep them because of his mistake. The GMA didn't know what to do with them, since the awards are for musical ability and not personal conduct. The GMA's contain no morals or character clause. As far as I know, they're probably sitting either in storage somewhere or on some music exec's shelf.

I have a huge problem with the Christian music industry and their treatment of Michael.

They wasted no time in dropping him from the label; pulling the albums from stores; and taking his music off the air. It was almost immediate.

Yet, at the same time, Sandi Patti has TWO extramarital affairs . . . BOTH with married men. She finally divorces her husband and marries one of the men she had an affair with and is currently married to him.

And NOTHING was done to her. She still is on the radio. Still is producing albums. Still wins awards.

What happened to Michael English was terribly wrong. And there's a blatant double-standard when it comes to the Christian music industry's handling of him and Sandi Patti.

I see Michael's coming out with another album. I wish him well. I'd love to see him in concert again.

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Lisa told us some stories which I won't repeat! All I can say, is that the guy is a real jerk!

I don't know Lisa, but there's always two sides to every story.

[rgcraig]

CR - maybe Michael set the tone of how he was treated by refusing the awards?

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

CR - maybe Michael set the tone of how he was treated by refusing the awards?

Renda, I am neither condemning nor defending ME on this - after all, an affair is wrong no matter which way you look at it!!

But it would seem to me that if he returned the awards as an act of repentance, then for the music industry to continue to bury him sure seems wrong to me.

I don't know the man - and I don't know his ex-wife. And I agree with whoever said that there are always two sides to every story. So I really don't need to get the details. But I do like his voice. He'll probably never be one of my all-time favorites. But then neither is Sandi Patti

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by Chan

Interesting. A UPC choir singing with men who, according to the UPC, aren't saved because they're trinitarians.

This is the mentality that makes me want to puke up a lung!!!!

Im so sick of this ...."we must preach to each other and hang with each other and sing to each other"

I say get out there and hang with trinitarians and sinners!!!!!

These guys that avoid fellowship and friendship with Trinitarians are backslidden heathens who dont have a clue what the great commission is!

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Honestly, this amazes me! These men's lifestyles both leave much to be desired, and yet a UPC choir ministers with them?????? Sorry, but I think it's a joke. We are called libs, and we wouldn't have either one of them on our platform. What happened to discernment? Sorry, NLYP, to rain on this parade, but I just find this ridiculous.

WE were on their platform...they were not on ours!

Watch it again Sherri....watch the crowd, watch Bill Gaither watch the hand raised in worship.....thats what happens when the anointing shows up!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Margies3

Renda, I am neither condemning nor defending ME on this - after all, an affair is wrong no matter which way you look at it!!

But it would seem to me that if he returned the awards as an act of repentance, then for the music industry to continue to bury him sure seems wrong to me.

I don't know the man - and I don't know his ex-wife. And I agree with whoever said that there are always two sides to every story. So I really don't need to get the details. But I do like his voice. He'll probably never be one of my all-time favorites. But then neither is Sandi Patti

I would have thought like you, however, I'm thinking maybe they were offended that he didn't accept them - who knows.

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I would have thought like you, however, I'm thinking maybe they were offended that he didn't accept them - who knows.

That could be, Renda. I hadn't considered it from that perspective before.

It's still sad tho!! GOD could be receiving honor and glory, but we as fallible human beings tend to get right in the way sooooooooo often

[NLYP]

I am saddened that this has become a bash session for Mark and Michael!
Get a serious life yall!