Interesting article on the need for Apostolic TV..

Originally Posted by deadeye

I think there needs to be a emphasis on personal outreach.

We have a Swanns man that has been working in our town for the last month or so and he asked me for some cards, in the course of his day he handed one to a older couple and the next sunday the were in church and haven't missed. This sunsay she was praying and seeking the Lord.
I knocked on the door of a JW one time and 3 months later baptized her in Jesus name. Me and a brother used to do finding the field surveys and got and taught bibles studies as a result.
We have been working our nieghborhood and have seen several in church and one recieve the HG.

Dont tell me that door knocking and personal work doesn't work.

Door knocking at random don't work. Personal work does.

[OP_Carl]

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Wow, this sounds more tangible and effective than TV.

Laugh on, funnyboy. It works.

You actually agree with me. I said that random blanketing of neighborhoods is ineffective, outdated, and did I say a misuse of resources?

You disagreed with my statement that a minstry effort is only as effective as the effort put forth to support that ministry effort? Hmmm, I thought that was soul wining and church growth 101.

What . . . . . the . . . . . . . huh ??????

Yes we have no bananas.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

"Tell you what. I'll give you half the money in the world if I can buy back ol' Sam Jones because he really served me well before you came into his living room in one of those highrise apartment buildings in New York City and snatched him off his couch and made him a follower of you."

Yes, Elder, I have heard the 'gated community' argument.

I counter with the 'what happened to my preacher' argument.

It isn't as though we are simply going to plop a camera down at the back of the room, pipe the sound out, and have church as usual. The camera will be moving. The lights will be moving. There will be producers and directors.

All this extra commotion is going to affect people. It's going to affect the congregation. It's going to affect the people who are normally on the platform. And it can't help but to affect your preacher's mind. Now he has the extra weight of knowing that his words are being carried to people who will have no familiarity whatsoever with church lingo and euphemisms. He's going to start pulling punches. He's going to start second-guessing himself. He's going to select topics based on sales criteria, not needs. He might even get the big head.

The services will be scripted instead of spirit-led.

The devil also knows that if he takes down the shepherd, the sheep will be scattered. This gives the devil a new avenue to reach the pastor.

Good old one-in-a-million Sam might not be reached right there in his high-rise. But he might also go for a walk . . .

It's a lot of distraction and energy, and we don't need it. We need more of God. When Sam walks in, he needs a genuine encounter with God.

[deadeye]

I will admit that door knocking at random may not always be the best way to go at it. But I also know that it HAS worked for me. As I mentioned about the JW and the HBS's that we have had from door knocking.
We are presently knocking the doors on the north side of our city and we are making some good contacts.
A couple of weeks ago we knocked on the door of a lady and that Sunday she was in church and we are working on getting a Bible study started.
A friend of mine pastors a church that runs in the hundreds and he went into an area and started that church by door knocking and Finding the Field surveys.

Door knocking with a purpose and plan does work.

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Yes, Elder, I have heard the 'gated community' argument.

I counter with the 'what happened to my preacher' argument.

It isn't as though we are simply going to plop a camera down at the back of the room, pipe the sound out, and have church as usual. The camera will be moving. The lights will be moving. There will be producers and directors.

All this extra commotion is going to affect people. It's going to affect the congregation. It's going to affect the people who are normally on the platform. And it can't help but to affect your preacher's mind. Now he has the extra weight of knowing that his words are being carried to people who will have no familiarity whatsoever with church lingo and euphemisms. He's going to start pulling punches. He's going to start second-guessing himself. He's going to select topics based on sales criteria, not needs. He might even get the big head.

The services will be scripted instead of spirit-led.

The devil also knows that if he takes down the shepherd, the sheep will be scattered. This gives the devil a new avenue to reach the pastor.

Good old one-in-a-million Sam might not be reached right there in his high-rise. But he might also go for a walk . . .

It's a lot of distraction and energy, and we don't need it. We need more of God. When Sam walks in, he needs a geniune encounter with God.

I carefully sifted through this little pile of speculation and found no substance. I'm sure that you have some substance behind this somewhere. Have you tried it? Know someone else who has?

Who can argue with Jimmy Swaggart, Paul Crotch Crotch and teary eyed Tammy Faye that the electronic media does not reach souls?

I certainly have a great deal of respect for any argument put forth that contain a little provable substance rather than speculations, not a few.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

I carefully sifted through this little pile of speculation and found no substance. I'm sure that you have some substance behind this somewhere. Have you tried it? Know someone else who has?

I certainly have a great deal of respect for any argument put forth that contain a little provable substance rather than speculations, not a few.

And you would charactarize your imaginary scenario about high-rise Sam Jones as . . . . not speculation?

Who can argue with Jimmy Swaggart, Paul Crotch Crotch and teary eyed Tammy Faye that the electronic media does not reach souls?

I don't have the data in front of me, unfortunately. But what I posted earlier in this thread was summarized of statistics I read within the last few months. These statistics indicated that the Swaggarts and Bakkers of the world are "reaching" and "saving" people that already have some sort of church experience. People are moving between denominations and ministries, but aren't really being dragged in off the streets. But, hey, look at all the cash!

Everybody really needs to let this soak in: Less than ONE PERCENT of viewers of religious programming DON'T CONSIDER THEMSELVES TO BE "SAVED." I think it was 0.4% 99.6% of the viewers aren't going to be seeking salvation. They'll be interested in catchy sermons and new songs, that's it.

So we're going to spend all this money on production equipment, pep and jazz the saints to believe that this is really reaching the lost, and when it's all said and done, we're still preaching to the choir.

[South of I 90]

Originally Posted by deadeye

And the article by Kerr was a lousy excuse for TV ministry.

It's not a lousy excuse!

It's another valid reason for TV ministry!!!

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by AGAPE

Let the women keep silent

I started and maintained a nursing home ministry for 7 years. My pastor believed if you were called to preach you should go find a place to preach. He said not to expect to get all your preaching time in at home or in any other pulpit. He didn't help me start the ministry, he didn't participate in the ministry, he was simply there for me when I needed him to be for guidance and advise.

Some of my most cherished memories and pictures are of nursing home services. We only baptized one in those 7 years but thats one that Satan can't claim.

If you aren't for TV ministry for these people then perhaps you should go start a "live and in person" ministry. And remember, someday, it could be YOU in such a place.

Originally Posted by deadeye

I will admit that door knocking at random may not always be the best way to go at it. But I also know that it HAS worked for me. As I mentioned about the JW and the HBS's that we have had from door knocking.
We are presently knocking the doors on the north side of our city and we are making some good contacts.
A couple of weeks ago we knocked on the door of a lady and that Sunday she was in church and we are working on getting a Bible study started.
A friend of mine pastors a church that runs in the hundreds and he went into an area and started that church by door knocking and Finding the Field surveys.

Door knocking with a purpose and plan does work.

Our entire neighborhood has a no solicitation policy... I love my neighborhood.

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Our entire neighborhood has a no solicitation policy... I love my neighborhood.