PAW Is Crumbling!!!Bishop Noel Jones is leaving too! - Page 5

#41 10-17-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad

okay, but the thing is ,Braizer is the man who keeps PAW afloat finanacially. that's how it's going to hurt. also,because Jones is so successful, the younger generation will likley follow his example.
I do know too that Braizer has pushed "eternal security" for years.

I doubt if any of their churches are pastored by outright trinitarians

Thad,

I believe it to be true. Before Bishop Morris Golder (one of my favorite preachers) passed away he spoke to us openly about the condition of the PAW and said that they were, at that present time, averaging either (a) one Church a month electing a trinitarian Pastor or (b) one PAW preacher a month taking the Pastorate of a trinitarian Church.

Remis Wright from a Baptist Church in Houston is a good example of that. He, himself, was a Golder disciple.

The numbers may have slightly changed but, sincerely, in a few more years - short of a drastic change - you'll not see a nickel's difference in a truth preaching PAW and a false doctrine preaching COGIC. In most areas you can't tell a difference already.

#42 10-17-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

I am hoping this is a signal that the old guard is flexing a little muscle and intends to move the organization back to being Apostolic.

(Did I already say how much I like this guy?)

ThePastorsCoach · #43 10-17-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad

I think this is a Oneness reference to Trinitarian teaching - no ?

Then why not just use the divisive terms - Oneness and Trinitarian instead of the inflammatory terms - Jesus Only and Three God Preachers. I absolutely hate it when I hear either one. I was NEVER a Trinitarian or Three God Preacher and I never claimed the Oneness or Jesus Only label. We all know how unchristian it is to use such divisive language.

We should be Bible Preachers. My theological upbringing was the Trinity and I was baptized in the F/S/HG formula in my young life. When I saw that the only way the NT believers were baptized was using the name of Jesus as identification with the Messiah and Anointed one - I was baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ. I have never baptized any one any other way - even in the COGOP and A/G except in the Name of Jesus Christ. That is not a Oneness position - it is a BIBLE position!

#44 10-17-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad

so i take it you don't care much for Jones and braizer??

I wonder what chuckie Ellis will do ?? he has the other Large PAW church in Detroit.

HIs uncle had a great church in chicago but is serving time in prison

I think Bishop David Ellis (the Father now deceased) would slap the stupid out of the boy if he could. He was a STRONG oneness, Jesus Name baptism preacher. In fact, he was a great preacher who loved truth. I don't know much about the son except that I've heard him make some VERY compromised statements about his 'beliefs'.

Ferd · #45 10-17-2007, 11:42 AM

AB, you are right we should not call trinitarians 3 godders, we should call them skitozphrinic.

Ferd · #46 10-17-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Steadfast

(Did I already say how much I like this guy?)

You certainly have my permission to repeat that!

Thad · #47 10-17-2007, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Steadfast

Thad,

I believe it to be true. Before Bishop Morris Golder (one of my favorite preachers) passed away he spoke to us openly about the condition of the PAW and said that they were, at that present time, averaging either (a) one Church a month electing a trinitarian Pastor or (b) one PAW preacher a month taking the Pastorate of a trinitarian Church.

Remis Wright from a Baptist Church in Houston is a good example of that. He, himself, was a Golder disciple.

The numbers may have slightly changed but, sincerely, in a few more years - short of a drastic change - you'll not see a nickel's difference in a truth preaching PAW and a false doctrine preaching COGIC. In most areas you can't tell a difference already.

I didn't know it was like that doctrinally. there statment of faith has never changed so I took it for granted that most still preached accordingly with a few fringe pastors. I did know that Jones & Braizer have had a huge influence over the younger generation of PAW ministry.

I did know that there was some major names out there that were "undercover" oneness BUT didn't know there were any outright Trinitarians pastoring actual PAW churches

Sandra · #48 10-17-2007, 11:47 AM

I will be singing for Bishop Horace Smith next sunday, I am going to ask questions.
I hear he is going to leave with them along with many others.

Sandra · #49 10-17-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

Thank God!

The PAW needs to not EVER be the same. these guys need to join some baptist organization.

GT Haywood has finnallly stopped turning over in his grave.

The PAW is a great organizaiton that needs to return to its former glory. Big churches with empty messages are NOT the answer!!!!

Many are leaving with them