Obeying The Gospel

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Wow there is more to this obedience then you might think:

Acts 5:32 (KJV)
32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


Rom 2:8 - 11 (KJV)
8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11For there is no respect of persons with God.

Rom 6:16 - 18 (KJV)
16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you .
18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.


Heb 5:8 - 9 (KJV)
8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him

Dan, how do you answer these? It's not just about believing. Action must accompany our belief!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Ron

Meaning, I can believe (in fact at 8 yrs of age went to a Salvation Army altar and asked God into my heart then went and lived for the Devil!) in God all I want
but If I believe, I will obey, if I obey, I really believed!
Therefore, I Repent, I am Baptised in Water in Jesus Name, for the "Remission"
of Sins, and I worship God and he givers me his Spirit.

Sounds simple.

I have had tons of people who came to an altar to seek God for the Holy Ghost, but no one got it if they didn't first Worship him for it!

yes....but HOW does that contradict anything I have asserted?

[Felicity]

So Ron......

You don't think that striving to enter in at the strait gate has anything to do with the Gospel or salvation?

[Ron]

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such a high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount.
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Again, Paul is talking that Jesus is of a Heavenly Priesthood of a Tabernacle that God pitched and not man.
He entered that Tabernacle in the Heavens with his own Blood.

Joh 20:14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Joh 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Joh 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Why couldn't they touch him? He was on his way to offer his own blood as our High Priest and didn't want to tain't the offering.
After he came back, he allowed them to touch him.

This is why it is so important to have the Tabernace plan of Salvation because when we repent, and are Baptised, and filled with the Holy GHost,
these three elements are the same that was in Moses Tabernacle which was a figure of the true in Heaven.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

yes....but HOW does that contradict anything I have asserted?

Prax, there are a lot of people who go about "Believing" but if there is no obedience-it is nothing.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Felicity

So Ron......

You don't think that striving to enter in at the strait gate has anything to do with the Gospel or salvation?

I don't believe that a life long works based effort is necessary in order to stay saved. I do believe though that a person that genuinely has faith will have some sort of works in their lives...if they don't have fruit then there is something wrong with the tree

1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Felicity

So Ron......

You don't think that striving to enter in at the strait gate has anything to do with the Gospel or salvation?

I only ask, "how does that pertain to Obeying the Gospel?"

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Ron

Prax, there are a lot of people who go about "Believing" but if there is no obedience-it is nothing.

And? I ask again, what is your point to Me personally. What is it that you think I believe that you have repeated yourself now three times and no answered my question lol

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't believe that a life long works based effort is necessary in order to stay saved. I do believe though that a person that genuinely has faith will have some sort of works in their lives...if they don't have fruit then there is something wrong with the tree

1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Prax, I agree that God desires for us to have "Good works" and not "Dead Works" in our walk with God.

Our main task is what Esther touched on today about Taking up our Cross and "denying" ourselves and following him.

The question remains, "how do we obey the Gospel" and is it nessecary for Salvation?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Obedience to the gospel is NOT "basically works"....works is anything you can do apart from the gospel. Nor is the act or obedience itself something that saves you, but the faith at work IN that obedience is what is the factor.

Paul says
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

No, Prax. I can not, wil not, have not, ever be able to provide Salvation for myself.
I am dependent for my next breath from him.

We do need to have not just Faith, but obedience to the Lord in what he commands.

Look at Namaan, he came looking for a healing from leprosy and the man of God said go dip in the Jordan river seven times.
Was it faith that got him a healing?
partly, it was also obedience to the man of God that got him his obedience that got him his healing.

Namaan eventually believed that man of God and did what was needed-thus proving his faith!