First the AG, next the UPC???

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by revrandy

I think most folks become who they hang out with or accepts them... seems that way anyways...over time....

This is very true, and is a reason I have the present sig line.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by bdlooney

I visited with my Bishop that I grew up under this weekend. He is a pastor of pastors. He is a part of the UPC and pastored the same church 47 years.

He is almost 80 years old and was a 35 year old Assembly of God evangelist when he received the revelation of the mighty God in Christ. Years ago, he was personally at the AG General Conference and with his own eyes and ears saw and heard the grayheads of the AG plead with the conference to hold the line on standards of holiness. The conference would not listen and history has revealed the outcome of that decision.

He is not UC but preaches very straight and always been principle and relationship driven and not rules based. He said that if the people would abide by just what resolution 4 allows then there is not much cause for concern but he knows that it is merely a foothold and that it will not stop at #4.

He wondered aloud, "I saw the compromise of one organization, I guess I may live to see the compromise of another."

Could it be that with the entrance of #4 this could be the start of the end for the UPC? It took the AG more than a few years to get where it is today. So it may not be this year or next but in 50 years what will the UPC look like? Could Thad be speculating about a merger of the UPC and the AG?

God Forbid!!

My father was an AOG Evangelist from 1958-1963. Then UPCI from 1964-1978 when he passed away.

He never spoke of standards being lifted in those years.

Standards were not lifter styles changed.

Modesty needs to be the sermon.

Not the 150 different dress codes the UPCI preaches from coast to coast under the veil of Holiness Dress.

Look at the roles of the AOG over the UPCI.

[TRFrance]

From what I've been told, the AG in its early days, was once a very conservative denomination, and in some ways was like a Trinitarian version of the UPC, as far as upholding certain standards, and the necessity of the Holy Ghost are concerned.

I see how they've crumbled now to become a shell of their former selves, to the point I can barely consider them "pentecostal" any more.

The conservatives and ultra-cons might be a bit heavy handed sometimes, but in the end, I think they're doing it for the right reason. I'd hate to see, one day down the line, the UPC become a watered-down shell of its former self (like the AG has become)... and that's just what would happen if we were to let some of the more liberal elements among us have their way.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

From what I've been told, the AG in its early days, was once a very conservative denomination, and in some ways was like a Trinitarian version of the UPC, as far as upholding certain standards, and the necessity of the Holy Ghost are concerned.

I see how they've crumbled now to become a shell of their former selves, to the point I can barely consider them "pentecostal" any more.

The conservatives and ultra-cons might be a bit heavy handed sometimes, but in the end, I think they're doing it for the right reason. I'd hate to see, one day down the line, the UPC become a watered-down shell of its former self (like the AG has become)... and that's just what would happen if we were to let some of the more liberal elements among us have their way.

I would disagree with this statement, unless you're just referring to standards. Their youth camps are VERY Pentecostal, with old time altar services, kids receiving the Holy Ghost, etc. I went to a conference where they were running the aisles, dancing (shockamoo - old fashioned kind), etc. recently. They were definitely acting more Pentecostal than lots of UPC churches I've been in, as far as worship.

[tv1a]

Preachers preach Biblical holiness instead in those events instead of random subjective definitions of holiness.

Originally Posted by Sherri

I would disagree with this statement, unless you're just referring to standards. Their youth camps are VERY Pentecostal, with old time altar services, kids receiving the Holy Ghost, etc. I went to a conference where they were running the aisles, dancing (shockamoo - old fashioned kind), etc. recently. They were definitely acting more Pentecostal than lots of UPC churches I've been in, as far as worship.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by bdlooney

I visited with my Bishop that I grew up under this weekend. He is a pastor of pastors. He is a part of the UPC and pastored the same church 47 years.

He is almost 80 years old and was a 35 year old Assembly of God evangelist when he received the revelation of the mighty God in Christ. Years ago, he was personally at the AG General Conference and with his own eyes and ears saw and heard the grayheads of the AG plead with the conference to hold the line on standards of holiness. The conference would not listen and history has revealed the outcome of that decision.

He is not UC but preaches very straight and always been principle and relationship driven and not rules based. He said that if the people would abide by just what resolution 4 allows then there is not much cause for concern but he knows that it is merely a foothold and that it will not stop at #4.

He wondered aloud, "I saw the compromise of one organization, I guess I may live to see the compromise of another."

Could it be that with the entrance of #4 this could be the start of the end for the UPC? It took the AG more than a few years to get where it is today. So it may not be this year or next but in 50 years what will the UPC look like? Could Thad be speculating about a merger of the UPC and the AG?

God Forbid!!

Oh please...for real. The rise and fall of the UPCI is not based on RES 4. Ya'll need to get a life

Get real!

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Oh please...for real. The rise and fall of the UPCI is not based on RES 4. Ya'll need to get a life

Get real!

I don't think the "fall" of the AoG has anything much to do with TV. I know what my opinions are, but I'll keep those to myself for now.

I also don't think the organization has fallen. I think there are some very good preachers, some very good churches, and some that aren't so much. Sounds pretty much like any other org.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

I don't think the "fall" of the AoG has anything much to do with TV. I know what my opinions are, but I'll keep those to myself for now.

I also don't think the organization has fallen. I think there are some very good preachers, some very good churches, and some that aren't so much. Sounds pretty much like any other org.

AMEN SIS!

Blessings, Rhoni

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

I don't think the "fall" of the AoG has anything much to do with TV. I know what my opinions are, but I'll keep those to myself for now.

I also don't think the organization has fallen. I think there are some very good preachers, some very good churches, and some that aren't so much. Sounds pretty much like any other org.

Zactly how i feel.

[Dora]

What's so bad about AG??????