Should they leave or stay?

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

I remember a young leader in the church feeling a call to start a new church. The pastor told him it was NOT God's will! When he left to start the church anyways, the Pastor lambasted him and his wife from the pulpit!

Within 5 years, this young preacher had a church that was twice the attendance of the original church!

Well I'm sure you just made this up PM. j/k

[Scott Hutchinson]

Sometimes Pastors think being in Spiritual authority means to be a dictator or overlord over God's heritage.
Some folks take advantage of their position.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

When one cannot agree with and obey what is being preached they need to leave. To stay there and be in rebellion is wrong.

The Pastor should not put saints in this situation to begin with.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Even if the pastor is wrong, it would be wrong for me to defy the leadership. Better to find somewhere else to attend, and make sure things are right between me and God, than to put myself in the dangerous position of trying to pull down or overthrow church leaders.

David's response to Saul in the cave is a prime example of what our attitude should be.

David didn't kill Saul. So I shouldn't kill the pastor. Got it.

Or... better expressed... David didn't return to Saul the vengefulness that Saul was hunting him down with.

David was the better man. And... on that I can agree.

David was running for his life. He didn't "leave the church" out of some holy respect for Saul. He was being hunted down and, when given the chance to return the same to Saul that Saul was seeking to deal to David he chose to be the better man and not kill him.

The reason things were going the way they were is because Saul was on a blood thirsty man hunt.

David did not rail against him. Wise move. An excellent spirit is always a wise move. But Saul would not speak peaceably with him and was driven by anger and jealousy. This is the reason Saul was removed and the reason God promised David that he would give his enemy into his hand to deal with as he wished.

So the example of Saul & David is one that a person should consider if a leader basically turns on someone and tells them they need to hit the road or otherwise demonstrates they no longer have a willingness to talk.

The example is to keep an excellent spirit and God will take care of it.

But... the hope would be that we would not reach this point. The hope would be that open & honest discussion can be had. The hope would be that brethren could study, pray & discuss together things that they don't see eye to eye.

But... should that lead to anger in those in leadership then keeping oneself above reproach will be the best way to walk as per the excellent example of David.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

David didn't kill Saul. So I shouldn't kill the pastor. Got it.

Or... better expressed... David didn't return to Saul the vengefulness that Saul was hunting him down with.

David was the better man. And... on that I can agree.

David was running for his life. He didn't "leave the church" out of some holy respect for Saul. He was being hunted down and, when given the chance to return the same to Saul that Saul was seeking to deal to David he chose to be the better man and not kill him.

The reason things were going the way they were is because Saul was on a blood thirsty man hunt.

David did not rail against him. Wise move. An excellent spirit is always a wise move. But Saul would not speak peaceably with him and was driven by anger and jealousy. This is the reason Saul was removed and the reason God promised David that he would give his enemy into his hand to deal with as he wished.

So the example of Saul & David is one that a person should consider if a leader basically turns on someone and tells them they need to hit the road or otherwise demonstrates they no longer have a willingness to talk.

The example is to keep an excellent spirit and God will take care of it.

But... the hope would be that we would not reach this point. The hope would be that open & honest discussion can be had. The hope would be that brethren could study, pray & discuss together things that they don't see eye to eye.

But... should that lead to anger in those in leadership then keeping oneself above reproach will be the best way to walk as per the excellent example of David.

Nicely expanded (and expounded).

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Sometimes Pastors think being in Spiritual authority means to be a dictator or overlord over God's heritage.Some folks take advantage of their position.

Very true Bro.Scott and some saints think they are not spiritual unless they suffer under such a man.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Well I'm sure you just made this up PM. j/k

In this situation, the paster knew of the young preacher's potential. He had plans to use the young man's leadership abilities to help grow his church.

In my opinion, the pastor knew that it would be a huge loss for his church, so he told the young preacher that it wasn't God's will!

My point is that the PREACHER's WILL was made to be GOD's WILL!

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

You'd be surprised how often this happens. People here fail to tell of how preacher and their famiies have been done dirty by so called saints.

I could tell you horror stories about that,

Does that mean that most saints are terrible, horrible, controlling people . No

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

David didn't kill Saul. So I shouldn't kill the pastor. Got it.

Or... better expressed... David didn't return to Saul the vengefulness that Saul was hunting him down with.

David was the better man. And... on that I can agree.

David was running for his life. He didn't "leave the church" out of some holy respect for Saul. He was being hunted down and, when given the chance to return the same to Saul that Saul was seeking to deal to David he chose to be the better man and not kill him.

The reason things were going the way they were is because Saul was on a blood thirsty man hunt.

David did not rail against him. Wise move. An excellent spirit is always a wise move. But Saul would not speak peaceably with him and was driven by anger and jealousy. This is the reason Saul was removed and the reason God promised David that he would give his enemy into his hand to deal with as he wished.

So the example of Saul & David is one that a person should consider if a leader basically turns on someone and tells them they need to hit the road or otherwise demonstrates they no longer have a willingness to talk.

The example is to keep an excellent spirit and God will take care of it.

But... the hope would be that we would not reach this point. The hope would be that open & honest discussion can be had. The hope would be that brethren could study, pray & discuss together things that they don't see eye to eye.

But... should that lead to anger in those in leadership then keeping oneself above reproach will be the best way to walk as per the excellent example of David.

Wasn't Saul ANNOINTED leader of the nation?

[Scott Hutchinson]

If someone is abusing their Spirtual authority inflicting damage and harm to The Lord's heritage ,one is not obligated to stay there.
I'm am not Anti-Ministry because everyone needs a Pastor and without one I don't see how anyone can be saved, but many abuse their callings ,but the true five-fold ministry is God's gift to the church.