The Sabbath Day, Should You Keep or not Keep?

[mfblume]

It would seem to me that the very image of the "things" is the same thought related in Colossians 2 by the therm Body of Christ. I know your take on it, Esaias, being that the church is the body and is able to judge whereas those outside the body cannot judge in their critical and erring way concerning what is truth.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It would seem to me that the very image of the "things" is the same thought related in Colossians 2 by the therm Body of Christ. I know your take on it, Esaias, being that the church is the body and is able to judge whereas those outside the body cannot judge in their critical and erring way concerning what is truth.

Are you saying His personal, physical body is the "image of good things to come"?

It seems to me the image spoken of in Hebrews 10 is not a single specific thing, but rather is a contrast between the shadow of the law. Thus, the entire scheme of worship and offering and priesthood etc under the law as "shadow" (vague outline) is being contrasted with the "very image" (clear representation) of the good things to come. Which would mean the very image is not just Christ's physical body, but Christ Himself - including His past, present, and continuing ministry as High Priest, and all the benefits that accrue from that ministry.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Are you saying His personal, physical body is the "image of good things to come"?

It seems to me the image spoken of in Hebrews 10 is not a single specific thing, but rather is a contrast between the shadow of the law. Thus, the entire scheme of worship and offering and priesthood etc under the law as "shadow" (vague outline) is being contrasted with the "very image" (clear representation) of the good things to come. Which would mean the very image is not just Christ's physical body, but Christ Himself - including His past, present, and continuing ministry as High Priest, and all the benefits that accrue from that ministry.

It's not arms and legs he's speaking about. Christ himself is the point. He used the word body because of the figure language of shadow. Bodies cast shadows. If the actual arms and legs were intended, then the shadow would be an actual dark shape on a wall. The metaphor is that bodies cast shadows as Christ Himself, and all that He represented, was prefigured by sabbath days.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Are you saying His personal, physical body is the "image of good things to come"?

It seems to me the image spoken of in Hebrews 10 is not a single specific thing, but rather is a contrast between the shadow of the law. Thus, the entire scheme of worship and offering and priesthood etc under the law as "shadow" (vague outline) is being contrasted with the "very image" (clear representation) of the good things to come. Which would mean the very image is not just Christ's physical body, but Christ Himself - including His past, present, and continuing ministry as High Priest, and all the benefits that accrue from that ministry.

i thought that was finished.
The sacrifices were shadow of the Christ`s sacrifice.
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Those elements were also shadows.. thats why we dont follow them now, because are fulfilled. (some in the way).
Sabatism is Rest.
We will enter in His rest ,once and for all (future) but also we live according to that form now , "(how?)

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.1 3 But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year. 4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

You see? the firure thing of the sacrifices which the passage speaks got their fulfilment in Christ`s body

1 Then verily the first [covenant] had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.1,............
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which [was] a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation.

Do you see how the Law and all the first Testament was :
was dedicated with blood of animals (all the Testament between God and Israel was dedicated through Maoses with Blood of animals and given by Angles.)
All that was shadows of the things to come,
by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
The BODY/FLESH of Christ is what entered forever in the Holiest place in Heaven.


19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

The body is that of Christ, and we WILL enter to His Rest ,BUT ,we are seated with Him at heaven (through Christ). We are the BODY now...and we live with that and only that HOPE:
9 There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbatism)to the people of God.5 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.
you see? Brother we will enter to the Sabbath but we "entered" through Him too. And if one enters in His rest , he stops from his own works!!!!



18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, (that is religion of angels.The law was received through Angles.we are not folloing Religion which given through Angles but through Christ.)

[Esaias]

On Galatians, let me just say that not being under the schoolmaster and being redeemed from the law does not mean released from moral obligation to obey God's commandments. So any conclusion that follows that line of reasoning is necessarily false and in error. As for the liturgical calendar mentioned in Galatians, the research is conclusive that it is a non Biblical liturgical calendar scheme. Therefore Sabbath keeping by believers is simply not even being discussed in Galatians, not directly, and not even indirectly.

[Ronnie G]

I’ll be honest. I’ve been looking at Hebrew Roots, and such. The Sabbath is something I’m struggling with, since I’ve never considered that it may be essential.

I can’t say all that I’ve read here clears it up for me. But that’s life. I am praying on this, because the days are just too weird to ignore the subject.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Ronnie G

I’ll be honest. I’ve been looking at Hebrew Roots, and such. The Sabbath is something I’m struggling with, since I’ve never considered that it may be essential.

I can’t say all that I’ve read here clears it up for me. But that’s life. I am praying on this, because the days are just too weird to ignore the subject.

Welcome to the forum Ronnie

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Ronnie G

I’ll be honest. I’ve been looking at Hebrew Roots, and such. The Sabbath is something I’m struggling with, since I’ve never considered that it may be essential.

I can’t say all that I’ve read here clears it up for me. But that’s life. I am praying on this, because the days are just too weird to ignore the subject.

How does one come to think any of the Ten Commandments are "not essential"? Honest question. I've never considered any of God's commands to be "non essential." Can't find any verses that teach "Most of the Bible is non essential."

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

How does one come to think any of the Ten Commandments are "not essential"? Honest question. I've never considered any of God's commands to be "non essential." Can't find any verses that teach "Most of the Bible is non essential."

The Sabbath was established at creation, enshrined in the 10 commandments,
Kept by the Apostles,
Replaced with Sunday worship by the Pope.

[Ronnie G]

Originally Posted by Esaias

How does one come to think any of the Ten Commandments are "not essential"? Honest question. I've never considered any of God's commands to be "non essential." Can't find any verses that teach "Most of the Bible is non essential."

Easy. I was raised with the standard outlook on the Law.

As I said, I’m honestly looking at this. I was also raised with ECT. And I’m still not sure. And yet it matters.