Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

[Azzan]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

http://www.exodusinternational.org/content/view/161/56/

In fairness, to men who were having an adulterous affair in the time leading up to their departure, would not look favorable on any organization that condemned their behavior. I mean, looking at this objectively here. Did they leave because they didn't feel it worked, or left because they slipped back into their old lifestyle? That's the danger of having anyone work together for any period of time that share similar struggles.

It is unclear to me. Michael Bussee's apology

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I have zero clout here, in fact, I probably have negative clout, but you have been nothing but courteous, kind, and polite. It has been my experience that people of your "lifestyle" have been very kind when they've jumped into the discussion in the past. One was a friend of our family's and she was not treated well at all. She never returned in kind and you have shown the same manners as she did.

I'll restate what I have privately, that I hope you stay around and not just here in this discussion, but in others as well. You're well-spoken, articulate, and your spell-checker works!

Thanks again for jumping into a discussion that is, obviously, a bit stacked against you.

I can attest to seeing both., I have encountered homosexuals that were very belligerent. It has nothing to do with being straight or gay

On a personal level I have known several that, over the course of time, came to church.

But here is why I asked my earlier question...everyone of them had confessed to being attracted to some women as well as to men.

For one I asked about that and his answer was "flesh is flesh"..

One man I knew experienced "events" in the military with other guys but to this day repudiates those actions.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Uh... what about Freud taught has been discarded????? lol

He is the Father of Modern Psychology. Do you use the word "ego?" Yes, you are a Freudian, my friend.

And Freud's Early Childhood Development model is still WIDELY popular.

You don't get it. You really don't get it. Freud attempted to create a new vocabulary and model. Using his own abbreviated "theories" he had a messed up childhood and his total "science" was an extension of his own "freudian defense mechanisms." I can explain freud using his own twisted theories. The word ego id and super ego were actually lame attempts to remove biblical words like soul from our speech.

Another blunt statement I will make is Freud wanted to eliminate the concept and word sin. I could write a book on freud

I will just make a line hear and there

Freud originally posited childhood sexual abuse as a general explanation for the origin of neuroses, but he abandoned this so-called "seduction theory" as insufficiently explanatory

Psychoanalytical theory claims repressed emotions and experiences from one's childhood explain a persons behavior.

some of what I posted above came from Anna Freud.

another big Coadiesm

Freud wanted so badly to have a Freudian secular explanation of human minds, behaviors and soul. All godless elements.
he was just Like Charles Darwin who also tried to peddle a godless theory of Creation. I know the goals of both of them and how similar they were.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I can attest to seeing both., I have encountered homosexuals that were

. It has nothing to do with being straight or gay

On a personal level I have known several that, over the course of time, came to church.

But here is why I asked my earlier question...everyone of them had confessed to being attracted to some women as well as to men.

For one I asked about that and his answer was "flesh is flesh"..

One man I knew experienced "events" in the military with other guys but to this day repudiates those actions.

Rebellian
How do we go back and trace OD (oppositional defiant) behavior

It shows up when some gays have an adversial relationship with their dad.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

No - never.

That's good. Sorry... but I've wanted to a few times. lol

However, the Bible does say that if we hate our brother, we're a murderer. Many are murderers and don't know it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by notofworks

True. Aren't you the one who occasionally advocates, or at least defends, plural marriage?

That's right! I'm all for it!

No seriously, I don't advocate for plural marriage. My point was simple, it wasn't a "sin" in OT times. Today, it's discouraged in the church. However, the standard for a bishop or elder is that they be the husband of one wife. That presents a general point of reference for common Christian practice, i.e. monogomy.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Azzan

Sadly, I never experienced such a miracle although I strived mightly to do so. And you are correct, most Christians have no idea.

And I cannot ditch my same gender attraction.

Thank you. I have heard this before. In fact, I have been told I was demon possessed. Let me tell that was a real moral booster. Not.

Please, if you ever find yourself in a situation where you are ministering to a gay person, be very mindful of what you say and how you say it. You may be the last Christian they ever talk to.

I don't think there is a miraculous "healing" in the sense of someone being instantly delivered from feelings. Like everything else it's one day at a time, through the grace of God.

Maybe the biggest hindrance for people in this situation isn't that they never get "delivered", but that they feel guilty for even the temptation or the feelings. Then rather than brushing it off, like the rest of us do with our own personal "demons", they feel guilt and despair

[Jeffrey]

Are we sure Coadie isn't RDP?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by coadie

You don't get it. You really don't get it. Freud attempted to create a new vocabulary and model. Using his own abbreviated "theories" he had a messed up childhood and his total "science" was an extension of his own "freudian defense mechanisms." I can explain freud using his own twisted theories. The word ego id and super ego were actually lame attempts to remove biblical words like soul from our speech.

Another blunt statement I will make is Freud wanted to eliminate the concept and word sin. I could write a book on freud

I will just make a line hear and there

Freud originally posited childhood sexual abuse as a general explanation for the origin of neuroses, but he abandoned this so-called "seduction theory" as insufficiently explanatory

Psychoanalytical theory claims repressed emotions and experiences from one's childhood explain a persons behavior.

some of what I posted above came from Anna Freud.

another big Coadiesm

Freud wanted so badly to have a Freudian secular explanation of human minds, behaviors and soul. All godless elements.
he was just Like Charles Darwin who also tried to peddle a godless theory of Creation. I know the goals of both of them and how similar they were.

Sounds like you went to some Evangelical school for Social Sciences (or at least a class). I don't think your opinion even remotely resembled the mainstream social science field. It's a conglomeration of Google Searches gone mad.

No matter how you attempt to read into Freud's motives, his work on early childhood development is still used and widely popular (even if some of the particulars are discarded, the ideas as a whole inspired countless social scientists after him). Also the Id, Ego, Super Ego, though there are obvious parallels to psyche, soma, pneuma -- are quite insightful. And like it or not, Freudian language and influence, even in 2010 is by far, the most influential of social scientists ever.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

http://www.exodusinternational.org/content/view/161/56/

In fairness, to men who were having an adulterous affair in the time leading up to their departure, would not look favorable on any organization that condemned their behavior. I mean, looking at this objectively here. Did they leave because they didn't feel it worked, or left because they slipped back into their old lifestyle? That's the danger of having anyone work together for any period of time that share similar struggles.

Exactly. I've known of married men who left their wives for other women. They backslid