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Old 06-03-2007, 05:10 PM
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Funny thing really.....so many have revered him as "Mr. Holiness".....he writes a book titled "In Search Of...." and then gets towards the end of the search just to fnd out weve been wrong....
Thats kinda funny.
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:16 PM
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The bible speaks of only one church in each city. I also believe they were run by multple elders with various ministerial gifts. for example the


Acts 13:1
13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
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The Church at antioch had prophetS and teacherS. Not the prophet or the teacher.

It's clear they had a different structure and what took place in services.
I tend to agree ... this business of the pastor being the be all, end all ... is non-apostolic ..... these elders were probably the equivalent of what our movement sees as a pastor today ....
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:25 PM
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Then are we to assume their was only one pastor in Laodicea, Ephesus, Phildelphia etc??? ... I have to believe their were multiple congregations in these large cities ...
The idea of a synagogue would have to be researched. The Early Church stated in the synagogues. Sometimes Paul had the most trouble there also.

I don't know of more than one church per town in any locality not only Revelation. Tradition tells us that the church at Jerusalem had 12000 members with James as Pastor.
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Old 06-03-2007, 06:47 PM
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BTW I'm still waiting for Bro Epley to prove scripturally the angel of the church is pastor of the church.
Our English word "angel" comes from the Greek word aggelos (Strong's word no. 32 pronounced ang-e-los) from a meaning of "to bring tidings" and it means "messenger." This could be a spirit being or a human being. God could use either a human or spirit to relay a message. In that way a pastor/shepherd/elder/bishop could be God's messenger to a local assembly or to an individual.
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Funny thing really.....so many have revered him as "Mr. Holiness".....he writes a book titled "In Search Of...." and then gets towards the end of the search just to fnd out weve been wrong....
Thats kinda funny.
That's only if you ever though he was right in the first place....
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Old 06-03-2007, 07:00 PM
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No where on the bible will one read a Pastor/presbyter ruled of an assmebly.

BTW You also never read of a minister be ELECTED to the office. What happen to be called by the Spirit??
1 Tim 5:17 says, "Let the elders (Greek presbyteros) that rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the Word and doctrine"

Hebrews 13:7 says, "Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the Word of God to you..."

Peter called himself an elder and he wrote to elders to shepherd/pastor the flock of God and to serve as an overseer (NKJV) or take oversight (KJV). This sounds like a certain amount of authority to me. He also told them not to be
"lords over God's heritage" but to be an example. Then he told them to put on the towel of humilty (probably remembering Jesus in the upper room girding Himself and washing their feet), and exhorted young and old to serve one another and to submit to one another (1 Peter 5:1-6)

As far as "voting" someone into office,
The Apostles chose/elected/nominated two men and left it up to God to reveal His choice for an Apostle in Acts 1:23-26.
Looks like they chose/elected 6 men for servants/deacons in Acts chapter 6.
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I sure do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is what the verse says.

Mortal Men preach today-An angel will preach then along with the 2 witnesses.
Elder,
that's the way I understand that also.
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Rev 14:6

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
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You reckon that might be some tv evangelist or other royalty or celebrity type preacher with a private jet?
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Well, we might speculate on some things but ALL of us KNOW who "the angel of the church of the Laodiceans" is.

It's William Branham.

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That's only if you ever though he was right in the first place....
I did have to read his book for licenseing......many times I would scratch my head and think.."where does he come up with this"?
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