Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

[Sean]

Originally Posted by n david

No, I'm not 6'7" or ripped. I just have the sometimes unfortunate attitude of "I don't give a care." Especially when someone is mouthing off, calling names, etc.

He would not talk to Benincasa like that, DB would bash his face in his Bible....LOL

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Exactly. There wouldn't be a functioning society for the Anti-Christ to rule after the seals.

Hey, I have an idea for you.

Why dont you arrange the chapters by number to fit the post trib model.

This I need to see to get your concept.

Just post the Chapter numbers according to the sequence of events, not the entire books.

Thanks, Truther(Sean).

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

From 1993-2010 I was a member of a particular UPC. In 2007, I happily witnessed the pastor announce to the congregation that he had renounced the pre-trib doctrine after further prayer and study. He is solidly post-trib.

Poor guy. Poor beheaded congregation. How depressing.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Pre-Tribulationism Is Based on Inferences and Is Not Specifically Taught in Scripture
The doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture is not specifically taught in the Bible. Instead, it is based upon other doctrines which pre-tribulationists conclude require a pre-tribulation rapture: such as, imminency, exemption from wrath, distinction between the church and Israel, etc. However, nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus will come prior to the Tribulation. On the other hand, Jesus himself said that he would return “after the tribulation” (Matt. 24:29-31).


Burden of Proof
Finally, if pre-tribulationism is not specifically taught in Scripture, and we all agree to the post-tribulational second coming, then post- is the default position. It is up to the pre-tribulationist to demonstrate that there are two separate events and that the first of these takes place before the Tribulation. Unless it can be demonstrated otherwise, we are left to assume that the “blessed hope” of the believer is the second coming of Christ after the Tribulation.

Post trib....1 Trib 4:1 "The dead in Christ shall rise alone, because we which are beheaded will be caught up...wherefore comfort one another with these words".

[Sean]

Originally Posted by n david

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Michael....God in Gen., shut the door on the Ark.

God shut the door in Matt 25 and LEFT half the virgins behind.

God did not take the bad virgins, but the good ones.

You do see that, right?


It was in the exact same discourse as Matt 24, right?


One taken...the other left.

5 virgins taken...5 left.

You must interpret that parable in light of what he said earlier in Matthew 24, where only ONE coming is taught. All the parable of the virgins is saying is that once he returns, it's too late to be saved. You have them eventually being allowed in, which is not the context.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Post trib....1 Trib 4:1 "The dead in Christ shall rise alone, because we which are beheaded will be caught up...wherefore comfort one another with these words".

NOWHERE does it say that the anti-Christ beheads all Christians. Where do you get such an outlandish idea? Yes, he makes war against the saints and prevails for a season. Does this mean every single Christian literally suffers physical harm, imprisonment or beheading? No. It does not say that, But you are doing what liars do. They are of the father of lies, so they do as their father instructs them to do.

[Sean]

I did. Read the post you quoted.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Hey, I have an idea for you.

Why dont you arrange the chapters by number to fit the post trib model.

This I need to see to get your concept.

Just post the Chapter numbers according to the sequence of events, not the entire books.

Thanks, Truther(Sean).

They are already arranged to fit the post-trib model. The Holy Ghost took care of that.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

NOWHERE does it say that the anti-Christ beheads all Christians. Where do you get such an outlandish idea? Yes, he makes war against the saints and prevails for a season. Does this mean every single Christian literally suffers physical harm, imprisonment or beheading? No. It does not say that, But you are doing what liars do. They are of the father of lies, so they do as their father instructs them to do.

Hey, it is in Rev. 20....beheaded trib saints.

If not, maybe the Sun will scorch you with fire per Rev 16.

You should choose beheading over that one.