A Wrecked Church!

[stony ground]

I just have one question: has any of the tale-bearing here in this thread helped the situation at the church? IMHO, this thread has gone from genuine concern to gossip and cheap-shots.

I'm not accusing anyone of lying, because I don't know the whole story...but we are only getting one side.

[StillStanding]

The fine people that were essentially kicked out of their own church are simply going through the process of shock, anger, then acceptance. They are now angry and need an outlet to vent. Accepting what has happened will be a drawn out process. My prayers are with them as they move on to another chapter of their life.

This is like a divorce. They were jilted and the ex-spouse has taken 100% of the property and assets. A travesty like this takes time to get past.

[tv1a]

I doubt there was genuine concern at all.

Originally Posted by stony ground

I just have one question: has any of the tale-bearing here in this thread helped the situation at the church? IMHO, this thread has gone from genuine concern to gossip and cheap-shots.

I'm not accusing anyone of lying, because I don't know the whole story...but we are only getting one side.

[Rapture 1]

Originally Posted by stony ground

I just have one question: has any of the tale-bearing here in this thread helped the situation at the church? IMHO, this thread has gone from genuine concern to gossip and cheap-shots.

I'm not accusing anyone of lying, because I don't know the whole story...but we are only getting one side.

The "discussion" of this situation hasn't helped, because the damage had already been done. "Heaven Bound" was the only one with guts to speak up. This could have been prevented at the first vote against the "boyfriend", but instead, they let him keep getting up, leading the services, preaching, and having his and the daughter's preacher friends to "preach". They all sit back waiting for something to happen and it did. Another vote!! Invitation only, for men. The rest is history. Talk about "talebearing", you can't make up the stuff that has gone on there. It's all about POWER, MONEY,SEX, you name it!And, everyone that goes there know it!! Hopefully, this will make people aware that these things can happen. Even tho this will happen again somewhere, there are still some great men of God ministers who preach the apostolic truth that have great families.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by HeavenBound

We found an attorney who will take this case but we don't have the funds to pay him. Found out money that was collected for the Church to buy some property in 2006 somehow the deed is in the name of the deceased Pastor and the one who is saying he is the new Pastor. May not be the only property like this. Makes a person wonder what else is askew.

I'm afraid you may need to begin to question your deceased beloved pastor. I don't mean to sound disrespectful but you seriously need to consider what was going on here. Unless he had severe dementia and was manipulated maybe he was not all you believed. The fact that while he still had his faculties he did "nothing" to make sure he was able to have a successor put in, makes me think maybe he *did* do what he wanted to put a successor in, all without any church input.........

[Rapture 1]

Originally Posted by StillStanding

The fine people that were essentially kicked out of their own church are simply going through the process of shock, anger, then acceptance. They are now angry and need an outlet to vent. Accepting what has happened will be a drawn out process. My prayers are with them as they move on to another chapter of their life.

This is like a divorce. They were jilted and the ex-spouse has taken 100% of the property and assets. A travesty like this takes time to get past.

You are right again, and it will take time. Only some, as they remind me don't have much time. But, at the same time, I'm amazed at how it has made some more determined than ever to just make heaven their home. If the "new church" will just let someone come in and try out for a pastor, I think they could make it. Other wise, it will be lilke other great churches in the area that have folded in the last 60 years, that a lot of great Apostolic people have come out of.

[Rapture 1]

Originally Posted by ILG

I'm afraid you may need to begin to question your deceased beloved pastor. I don't mean to sound disrespectful but you seriously need to consider what was going on here. Unless he had severe dementia and was manipulated maybe he was not all you believed. The fact that while he still had his faculties he did "nothing" to make sure he was able to have a successor put in, makes me think maybe he *did* do what he wanted to out a successor in, all without any church input.........

To much POWER and CONTROL is not a good thing anywhere!!!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Devils eh? We will let Christ decide who the devils are.

My own personal opinion is:

If I were a member of that church, I'd count my monetary losses and walk away in a heartbeat.

Anybody who has to go to the great lengths to steal from the people like it appears these folks have done deserve an empty building.

Bingo. I still say run to the nearest door. 1 Cor 6:7:

"Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?"

You have been defrauded. But you may defraud yourselves and others much more if you sue.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by StillStanding

The fine people that were essentially kicked out of their own church are simply going through the process of shock, anger, then acceptance. They are now angry and need an outlet to vent. Accepting what has happened will be a drawn out process. My prayers are with them as they move on to another chapter of their life.

This is like a divorce. They were jilted and the ex-spouse has taken 100% of the property and assets. A travesty like this takes time to get past.

Yes, absolutely. Nothing good comes from silencing people at this point. People need to talk. Sometimes people don't get all the facts straight but everyone should know and be aware that this is discussion that comes from grief, it is not facts lined up, it is not mediation, it is not both sides telling their story. It is simply an avenue of reflection, to express grief, to get a back rub, to help take a deep breath and move forward.

Too often, people are told to suck it up when they have guts hanging all over the place. It is too soon to suck it up.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Rapture 1

To much POWER and CONTROL is not a good thing anywhere!!!

Right.