Should we teach others to rebel against standards?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You called the guy a porno pastor. Maybe you should have read his statements more closely.

My judgement to call the make believe pastor, porno pastor was due to YOUR post. From the garbage words YOU choose to make us privy to. More closely? Bro, it was a post, which you fabricated to look as if the individual was a 30 year veteran of the UPC. Anyone can look at what I chose to enlarge and color in red to highlight how you framed the post to indicate that one, the issue was to point out pulpit ministry. Two, that the individual with the perverted disguting mind was a veteran of ministry for over 30 years. Game over dude, game over.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Or maybe you could have asked if I thought he was still a pastor.

Why would I? Bro, you mentioned the pulpit three to four times? Then showed that the culprit was a veteran of over 30 years, and I quote, "a pastor, a bishop, an elder" No reason for me to ask you, you saw where the road was heading. Yet, only until ndavid asked a few times for your PM response to his request. Did things start to make a huge turn.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You jumped the gun to shoot the messenger and cloud the issue

Jumped what? Aquila, anyone following our discussion over your post could see it was mainly focused on you posting to a woman unwise verbiage. Which you replied back to me that I should get over my Puritan mindset, "virgin ears" to be exact. Also that you believed the sister to be tough enough to take your wording of the post. We have finally come to this place, because of ndavid asking for evidence. Which you provided some microscopic screen shot. Which had the name blacked out. Remember you were supposed to supply ndavid originally with the name of the culprit. the doubt was that this guy was even a pastor to begin with? Curiously you didn't start posting no, no, no, no, he isn't a pastor back to ndavid. Not at all, but now you seem to be all frazzled on how we could of not asked you? Bro, you were being asked. That was ndavid's original request to get the screenshot of the FB discussion to get to the bottom of all of this.

Originally Posted by Aquila

because it solidly made the point that political hero worship can corrupt good manners.

So, what is the excuse for your behavior? What has corrupted your good manners? Chris, this forum isn't helping you bud, not in the least. You need to find a group of Apostolic men to be accountable. NOT on the INTERNET.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

"Because someone who's not preaching is not in a pulpit, and we cant get something out of the pulpit that you already knew wasn't there!"

Home Run!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Do what? This is not at all what happened. He could've said whatever about Donald Trump, that's not the problem here.

Do you actually believe I'm defending Donald Trump's behavior? For one even though Donald Trump is supporting of Christian freedom, do I believe Donald Trump is a Christian, absolutely not! I know he's not baptized in Jesus name. So he's not saved!

Donald Trump is acting like a unsaved man, and that is no surprise, because he is not saved! Does that make what he's doing ok? Absolutely not! Does that give him a excuse? Absolutely not! But, he is acting exactly like a unsaved man would act.

Everything anyone is saying is related to the back slidden preacher. The backslidden preacher, was supposed to be mixing politics from the pulpit! And I quote Aquila
"My post was about getting human politics out of THE PULPIT, it shouldn't be in OUR PULPITS. The more PULPITS become given over to politics."

Now if you didn't ever say this man was currently a preacher, why would you say these things? "They gentleman IS UPCI.
Oh dear sister, please don't tell me you support this sort of thing." These statements are exactly about what all this is about. But deflecting the attack of Donald Trump? That's ridiculous! If you were saying that this man was not a preacher currently, explain all those quotes above. Those quotes say exactly the opposite of what you are saying.

"Because someone who's not preaching is not in a pulpit, and we cant get something out of the pulpit that you already knew wasn't there!"

My response was to Amanah regarding her accusation that I want to "destroy the conservative church" in post #30 in the Glorious Church thread. In response to her, I was indicating that I don't want to destroy the conservative church. My concern was how conservative politics is the false gospel that is being preached from so many pulpits today. I gave an example of a man who professed to have many years in ministry who has compromised his standards of decency to defend his political hero, and illustrated my point with his behavior. Only in a church culture where such is common from the pulpit will we see such compromising behavior within the pews.

My response is multifaceted. In response to what she posted that I had said previously, it involves the pulpit. My direct response to her in which I quoted a man who defends Trump's behavior, I'm illustrating the concern over such political hero worship from a man who professed decades of ministry. Regardless, the point is political hero worship. I'm not out to destroy any church, liberal or conservative. I would like to see less politicking from ministers and pastors though. It soils their garments.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Good God In Zion!

Chris, multifaceted response?

Are you kidding me?

Stop already, you totaled the car, set it on fire.

No amount of bondo and paint is going to make it look showroom new.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I gave an example of a man who professed to have many years in ministry who has compromised his standards of decency to defend his political hero, and illustrated my point with his behavior.

You claim you're not trying to destroy "any church, liberal or conservative," yet in multiple posts you blasted this guy and associated him with the UPCI. Do you understand why we don't believe you?

Not only did you renege on sending a PM with the person's name, you later posted he wasn't a current pastor or minister at all and whether he's actually UPCI you posted "to me, UPCI, ALJC, COOLJC, PAW, ABCs & 123s, it makes no difference."

Originally Posted by Aquila

My response is multifaceted.

You're too clever by half.

Originally Posted by Aquila

It soils their garments.

Speaking of soiled garments, you should change yours.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

You claim you're not trying to destroy "any church, liberal or conservative," yet in multiple posts you blasted this guy and associated him with the UPCI. Do you understand why we don't believe you?

Not only did you renege on sending a PM with the person's name, you later posted he wasn't a current pastor or minister at all and whether he's actually UPCI you posted "to me, UPCI, ALJC, COOLJC, PAW, ABCs & 123s, it makes no difference."


You're too clever by half.


Speaking of soiled garments, you should change yours.

You can't see what I'm trying to say because you're in attack mode.

1.) My response was in relation to Amanah's accusation that I want to destroy conservative churches. She referenced a post in which I had said that if pastors get political in pulpits, maybe we should get political in the pews and protest them. The point wasn't to destroy any church, liberal or conservative. The point was to illustrate how the house of God shouldn't be allowed to become a political action committee, and how we should desire to hear preachers preach Jesus, not their political heroes.

2.) My response was only an "example" of how political hero worship can corrupt good manners. I honestly didn't think it would get this much traction. It was only an example.

3.) I never said the man was currently a pastor.

4.) I didn't send you the man's name or information because I don't want to slander him. Again, it was just an "example". And for the record, I did the send the man's name to an individual that I trust in this discussion. If he wishes to reveal the man's name, that's entirely up to him. But I'm not going to because that wasn't the point I was making.

5.) It is my understanding that the man is UPCI. But I don't hold any loyalty to any human organization. To me, they're all the same. Just money making fraternities of men. And here's what I don't get. The UPCI will be just fine. Millions of people aren't hanging on my every word, with the UPCI holding it together by a string. The UPCI is going to be just fine. And for the record, unless someone makes a big deal out of this, it isn't going to even be a blip on the radar.

Now, if you can't understand the point and purpose of the post, then you are blinded by the god of this world in your own hero and organization worship.

You are attack dogging like Sean Hannity. You're not inquiring as a brother. You've misrepresented what was said and the intentions of what was said so badly that we've ended up way out here where nothing makes sense.

Please review my points above, and instead of trying to refute them... consider that they are truly what I intended. Else, remain in darkness and lies, and false accusations. Your choice.

[Aquila]

Now, this is where some satanically driven fools begin saying,

"No you said this, and you meant that, and you then allowed us to think this, and your just scum Aquila, personal insult, personal insult, personal insult."

lol

This spirit is a feisty one. But it has no real victory.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You can't see what I'm trying to say because you're in attack mode.

Attack mode? No. It's incredible how you try to spin the narrative to make yourself the victim every time. It's a continuous cycle with you:

1) You post a stupid statement, story, etc
2) Someone disagrees and calls you out on it
3) You claim you're just being multifaceted in your post or something similar
4) You complain you're being attacked.

Rinse. Repeat.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I honestly didn't think it would get this much traction. It was only an example.

Riiiiiiight. Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that? I don't believe that you thought it would just pass on by without comment. This is a forum with a lot of current/former UPCI members. Gimme a break.

Originally Posted by Aquila

3.) I never said the man was currently a pastor.

No, but the narrative insinuated he was. You did claim he allegedly is currently part of the UPCI, which you later apparently recanted by posting: "to me, UPCI, ALJC, COOLJC, PAW, ABCs & 123s, it makes no difference."

Originally Posted by Aquila

4.) I didn't send you the man's name or information because I don't want to slander him.

This is just stupid and I don't believe a word you're posting here. You didn't want to "slander him?" Stop lying. Take a moment and be honest for once. You didn't give me the name because you knew I would track this guy down and contact him to see if what you said is true about him. That's the real reason. You posted your pledge to send me a name, hoping I wouldn't respond to it. Then you soiled your garments when I did respond and asked for it.

You already posted the story and the pixelated screenshot. There's no slander. It's just an excuse.

Speaking of slander...I don't recall you having the same conflict when you took a post from AFF and put it on your FB timeline for your liberal friends to bash. So stop with that pathetic excuse. Man up, be honest and admit you just didn't want this guy knowing you were bashing him on AFF.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And for the record, I did the send the man's name to an individual that I trust in this discussion.

Sure you did.

Originally Posted by Aquila

5.) It is my understanding that the man is UPCI.

Which we can't know for sure, because: "to me, UPCI, ALJC, COOLJC, PAW, ABCs & 123s, it makes no difference."



I wish Admin would remove your ability to edit posts.

When I first saw your post, it included this gem:

Originally Posted by Aquila

"Repent, or you'll roast in a devil's hell as long as God will live...and God will never die. Mark these words. Post them somewhere. Laugh and mock, and make jest. Hoot and cackle. Curse and belittle. Kick and scream. You're in such a frame of mind, this spirit has you in its grasp so strong you can't even begin to try to see my point...as you actually prove it in your politicized rantings.

And when I saw politicized. I mean you are attack dogging like Sean Hannity. You're not inquiring as a brother. You've misrepresented what was said and the intentions of what was said so badly that we've ended up way out here where nothing makes sense."

Why did you delete that first paragraph above?

"Repent, or you'll roast in a devil's hell as long as God will live"
The only thing I repent of is believing you have an ounce of honesty or integrity.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Please review my points above, and instead of trying to refute them... consider that they are truly what I intended. Else, remain in darkness and lies, and false accusations. Your choice.

You know the saying, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions?" You should write a book, "Good Intentions Paved My Road To Hell."

Example A is your post. Maybe you did have good intentions, but you messed up by bashing someone you claim IS UPCI and was a minister for 30+ years. And you didn't post about the man once. It was more than once. You call him vulgar. Said he used vulgar words.

So while you may have intended to provide an example, your subsequent posts made it more about the "vulgar," UPCI minister.

Perhaps you should think next time before blasting someone and connecting them to an organization of which many here are either current or former members.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Now, this is where some satanically driven fools begin saying,

"Satanically driven fool."

And you're telling me I need to repent or roast? You're claiming you don't want to slander the man you bashed on here, but you're slandering others, calling them "satanically driven fools?"

"but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Pot, meet kettle.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

And for the record, I did the send the man's name to an individual that I trust in this discussion.

1) I have no reason to believe you. None. You said you send me the name and reneged on it. Why should anyone believe you?
2) IF you did send it to someone, it's someone you know won't attempt to find or contact the man.

Again, the real reason you didn't give it to me is because you knew I'd contact him and he would find out that you're calling him "vulgar" and bashing him on AFF.