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11-07-2014, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
As a boy I fell in love with the Bible only had the KJV you know it was not a great problem for me to comprehend. Yes I had to look up some words but if a simply Ky boy could read it I fail to see what the conflict is. God never expected us to learn ancient Hebrew or Greek.
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I had no problem with it either when i was about ten years old.
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11-07-2014, 12:21 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Well the first few times of reading it I may have questioned it but soon caught on that it refers to God.
Im sure many people do not know what "divine" means either. And some think they do but dont.
Well guess what?
At least in my Strongs the word "person" is given as a definition. It seems to be at least equally valid to the translations for that word in my 8 version Bible.
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You are just one person
I should have said a real dictionary. For the record people, All Strong's does is tell you how a word was translated in the KJV, not how it should have been translated
The Greek word there is Hypostasis and is not the Greek or Latin word for Person.
Strongs is a dictionary of the KJV bible. Meaning all he did was list how a word was translated by the KJV
The Latin word for Person is Persona. It's Greek counterpart is prosopon not Hypostasis
Probably the reason they did that was because the Nicene Creed (the original) used the word Hypostasis for Father, Son and Spirit.
Yep...they were influenced by early Trinitarian language
Godhead. Most people use the word Godhead today like it's a club. "Is Jesus in the Godhead?"
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-07-2014, 12:22 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
As a boy I fell in love with the Bible only had the KJV you know it was not a great problem for me to comprehend. Yes I had to look up some words but if a simply Ky boy could read it I fail to see what the conflict is. God never expected us to learn ancient Hebrew or Greek.
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Just proved my point. You had to look up some words
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-07-2014, 12:23 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by mfblume
I had no problem with it either when i was about ten years old.
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At 10 did you know "Person" in Heb 1 was not the right word?
Did you know conversation did not mean a dialog between two people?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-09-2014, 03:33 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
On Facebook a KJVO posted this verse
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
I posted the NET
Mat 6:24 "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
The man laughed derisively at "God and money"???
I then challenged him as to what he thought mammon meant. No answer. I posted a few more comments about how the word seems to have been a transliteration of the Greek and then challenged him again as to what he thought it meant and then he deleted the topic
clearly he did not know what mammon meant and had some other idea for it
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-10-2014, 12:42 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
At 10 did you know "Person" in Heb 1 was not the right word?
Did you know conversation did not mean a dialog between two people? |
Those issues did not matter to me.
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11-10-2014, 12:43 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
Sean, let me engage you in one more issue.
You believe the KJV was an act of God when it was translated and that anything those men translated when it was first printed, published, or whatever, was of God, right? yes or no.
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11-10-2014, 06:18 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
Mike, this 7th Day Adventist guy is my reference guy. I agree with what he says here....
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...79189006,d.cGU
Watch it if you care to.
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11-10-2014, 06:40 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Please answer me yes or no. A straightforward answer for once.
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11-10-2014, 06:45 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
The KJV is easy to read. I started with a Good News NT at 14. When I began attending an UPC I went with the KJV. No big deal. It's not my preferred translation today. I have seen people use KJV words with a 20th century definition. Example above given by Prax, people think "conversation" means dialogue. LOL.
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