Why I Am A Futurist

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Well, how do you reconcile knowledge of good and evil with free will? How can Adam have "sinned," if he lacked this knowledge? I'll have to look up the first occurrence of "Adam sinned," that will be interesting, prolly. I know God says "he has become a god." This is a fall?

What is "On the day you eat of it, you will surely die" to someone who does not know death? What is "die" to him? It is a meaningless concept, until it is experienced.

Again, I think, it refers to the same thing Paul fought all his ministry. Self advancing self, making himself god by not needing God. It was knowledge of everything that's good to know what to do, and everything that's evil to know what not to do. That way, it replaces God. Walking after the flesh is making oneself improve through independence. Walking after the Spirit is God's life living through us.

Knoweldge of good and evil is very religious sounding. And it's in all our blood now. How many people instinctively feel they're not good enough, and need to work on that before they can come to God?

[Sean]

I think that Adam and Eve were created MORTAL(but innocent of any sin), and given access to the Tree of Life from the start(to live forever).

After they sinned, they were simply forbidden to access the Tree of Life, consequentially causing them to age.

It just dont take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

I think that Adam and Eve were created MORTAL(but innocent of any sin), and given access to the Tree of Life from the start(to live forever).

After they sinned, they were simply forbidden to access the Tree of Life, consequentially causing them to age.

It just dont take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

well, ok...but my takeaway for now is
Don't be so sure about all that stuff you "know." see y'all later, gotta run.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

I think that Adam and Eve were created MORTAL(but innocent of any sin), and given access to the Tree of Life from the start(to live forever).

After they sinned, they were simply forbidden to access the Tree of Life, consequentially causing them to age.

It just dont take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

so your position is that Adam was created mortal, but did not age in the garden?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

You have have raised a good question. Yes, Adam's spirit (his identity) is
eternal (immortal).

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and (1) breathed into
his nostrils, and (2) man became a living soul." So the question here becomes:
(1) What gave the dust (body) life? (2) is there life in the dust? or can dust move
or operate of its own volition?

It was God's breath that gave the body life, and then the body became a living
soul. Thus...the soul is the life of the body. So when a man dies, the body reverts
back to the dust, and the life (soul) goes back to God. BUT MAN (the spirit)
goes to await the judgment!

The soul is immortal in that it reverts back to God: it is a figure of the Holy
Spirit. If a Christian falls from grace, the Holy Spirit goes back from where
it was sent.

nice. i don't agree, as it seems to me that God breathed "spirit" into Adam; and my evidence would be that Adam was not destined for judgement, having no knowledge of good v evil--he could not sin, iow...but i dunno.
i have some reflections on "dust of the earth..."

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

nice. i don't agree, as it seems to me that God breathed "spirit" into Adam; and my evidence would be that Adam was not destined for judgement, having no knowledge of good v evil--he could not sin, iow...but i dunno.
i have some reflections on "dust of the earth..."

I don't doubt that men have a more rational explanation.

But please note that God did not breathe [a spirit] into Adam's body of dust, but
life! For he [Adam] was already a created spirit-being: "...in the image of God
created He them."

"Seek and you shall find."

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

I don't doubt that men have a more rational explanation.

But please note that God did not breathe [a spirit] into Adam's body of dust, but
life! For he [Adam] was already a created spirit-being: "...in the image of God
created He them."

"Seek and you shall find."

hmm, ok, we might be splitting hairs now--i'll hafta read the passage tonight before i reply here. Food for thought, tho.

[Sean]

Yes, because of the Tree of Life.

It just stands to reason.....

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Sean

Yes, because of the Tree of Life.
It just stands to reason.....
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

?????

Are you intimating that Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Life BEFORE they ate
of the forbidden tree?

Where'd you get them apples?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

?????

Are you intimating that Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Life BEFORE they ate
of the forbidden tree?

Where'd you get them apples?

Amen. There is no indication they ate the fruit of life at all.