Billy Graham - Page 58

Esaias · #**571** 03-07-2018, 01:05 PM

BTW, Chris, you said "our (KJV) Bible." So now you're an Anglican?

Esaias · #**572** 03-07-2018, 01:11 PM

Thanks, Amanah, for reminding me of this post:

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We already read the verse in Galatians which declared that "heresies" are works of the flesh and that those who engage in such things will NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. This means heretics (those who hold to heresies) will NOT BE SAVED.

If you hold to doctrines that are CONTRARY to the doctrines taught by the Bible, that cause you to become part of some "ism" or some sect(ion) of the church that is contrary to the body of teachings delivered by the apostles, you are engaged in a work of the flesh and have joined yourself to a work of the flesh. And, you will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Here it is again:

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, (21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Notice that word "seditions" right before "heresies". That word is dichostasiai, and means this:

G1370
δῐχο-στᾰσία, ἡ,
dissension, B. 10.67 (pl.), Hdt. 5.75, Eus.Mynd. 45, Plu. 2.20c; sedition, Sol. 4.38, Thgn. 78, LXX 1Ma_3:29.

Seditions are divisions or separations from or disagreements with. With what? Obviously the doctrines of the apostles! If a person disagrees with the teachings of the Bible, they are "dissenting" from the apostolic doctrine, they are part of a dissension. They are guilty of "sedition", which is essentially a rebellion against proper lawful authority. When a Christian accepts doctrines that are non apostolic and which cause them to be in disagreement with the teachings of the apostles, they are in rebellion against the lawful ordained authority. The apostles are commissioned to establish doctrine in the church. If you disagree with their teachings, you are in rebellion or sedition against their authority. And if you are in rebellion against the authority of the apostles in regards to doctrine, you are not only guilty of sedition, but of heresy. The two go hand in hand. And those who do such will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ecumenicalism claims that heretics, those who teach doctrines other than and contrary to what the apostles taught, will inherit the kingdom of God. As you can see, ecumenicalism contradicts the NT. Which makes ecumenicalism a dissension from, a sedition against, NT apostolic doctrinal authority, which makes ecumenicalism itself a soul-damning heresy.

Esaias · #**573** 03-07-2018, 01:20 PM

Chris, are you googling furiously? Where are you?

Esaias · #**574** 03-07-2018, 01:22 PM

Alright, I gotta work on a lawn mower. I'll be back later to straighten y'all out once again.

Originalist · #**575** 03-07-2018, 01:27 PM

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You two are really something, masters of the straw man and red herring.

Pot meet kettle! You of all people have allot of nerve making such accusations with your bizarre claim that Aquila and I are teaching salvation by works.

houston · #**576** 03-07-2018, 01:28 PM

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You better Return to Lonesome Dove and get with it!

Did he write a book based on the series?

consapente89 · #**577** 03-07-2018, 01:32 PM

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You better Return to Lonesome Dove and get with it!

Lonesome Dove was not written by the good Elder!

consapente89 · #**578** 03-07-2018, 01:34 PM

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Did he write a book based on the series?

Lonesome Dove was written by a L'amour wannabe. Definitely not edifying commentary. Stick with the Sacket Series.

Aquila · #**579** 03-07-2018, 01:41 PM

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You two are really something, masters of the straw man and red herring.

If it is a straw man and a red herring... DELIVER.

Can you provide a historic example of any group of believers who believed the "Apostolic Truth" as you interpret it at any point from between 400 AD to let's say 1900 AD?

Either their was a church that taught what you call the "absolute truth"... or the gates of Hell prevailed.

Which is it?

Stand and deliver.

Aquila · #**580** 03-07-2018, 01:43 PM

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BTW, Chris, you said "our (KJV) Bible." So now you're an Anglican?

I was just razzin' ya.

Seriously, no hard feelings in these talks. I hope you know that outside of the debates and discussions, you're cool with me... even with your "scorched earth" fundamentalism. lol