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11-25-2014, 05:06 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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It's my understanding that early Modalists views God has being comprised of three "hypostasis" (persons), yet these persons were viewed as being sequential modes of the monad's existence.
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I have never heard that. Sequential modalism would be foreign to scripture.
Modalism is simply that God can exist as God in one mode of being while at the very same time exist as man in another realm of being.
Not sequential as in he must stop being the Father to be the Son. He must stop being the Son to be the Spirit.
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11-28-2014, 02:41 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
If your name is Dirt that means YOU have no cred. His NAME is mighty God therefore HE is the mighty God. To suggest the NAME of Christ is somehow different than the One signified by that name is something newfangled and suspect. The apostles affirmed Jesus is God, not just his name.
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11-29-2014, 06:19 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
If Jesus is NOT the Father, then either Jesus is NOT God OR he is ANOTHER God. I don't see any way around that simple fact.
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11-30-2014, 02:07 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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If Jesus is NOT the Father, then either Jesus is NOT God OR he is ANOTHER God. I don't see any way around that simple fact.
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Depends on what you mean by Jesus.
If by Jesus you mean the person or being that is God then yes Jesus is the Father.
If by Jesus you mean that person or being in the mode of the Son then the Jesus is not the Father.
So I want to give you something to ponder. Jesus both is and isn't the Father.
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11-30-2014, 04:29 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Depends on what you mean by Jesus.
If by Jesus you mean the person or being that is God then yes Jesus is the Father.
If by Jesus you mean that person or being in the mode of the Son then the Jesus is not the Father.
So I want to give you something to ponder. Jesus both is and isn't the Father.
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At the same time but not in the same way 
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-30-2014, 05:25 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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If Jesus is NOT the Father, then either Jesus is NOT God OR he is ANOTHER God. I don't see any way around that simple fact.
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Now THIS makes Biblical sense. This is Oneness teaching. This is why Trins are guilty of multiplying Gods.
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11-30-2014, 08:28 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
"Is Christ God?" I have never (until FCF, nFCF, and AFF) known a self identified "oneness" believer NOT give an emphatic YES! answer to that question.
"...The evening time has come, tis a fact God and Christ are ONE..."
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11-30-2014, 08:45 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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"Is Christ God?" I have never (until FCF, nFCF, and AFF) known a self identified "oneness" believer NOT give an emphatic YES! answer to that question.
"...The evening time has come, tis a fact God and Christ are ONE..."
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That's because oneness is primarily interested in the person that is god. The trinity is primarily interested in the roles of God.
As such the oneness says the father is the son because they are both the same person. The trinity says the father is not the son because the father and son are different roles.
However in the right context either approach may begin to sound like the other.
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11-30-2014, 08:52 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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That's because oneness is primarily interested in the person that is god. The trinity is primarily interested in the roles of God.
As such the oneness says the father is the son because they are both the same person. The trinity says the father is not the son because the father and son are different roles.
However in the right context either approach may begin to sound like the other.
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Again, and this cannot be overlooked.... trinity sees Father, Son and Spirit interacting with each other for eternity past like Son and Father did after the incarnation. And that is a HUGE difference. God was as alone as Adam was without Eve when Adam was first created. And his counterpart as Eve was to Adam was not the Son of God. But was the CHURCH, the BRIDE.
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11-30-2014, 08:57 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Again, and this cannot be overlooked.... trinity sees Father, Son and Spirit interacting with each other like Son and Father did after the incarnation. And that is a HUGE difference. God was as alone as Adam was without Eve when Adam was first created. And his counterpart as Eve was to Adam was not the Son of God. But was the CHURCH, the BRIDE.
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Is this making a mountain out of a molehill? Or can't see the forest for the trees?
If the only difference really is that the trinity asserts that each role was eternal and oneness doesn't that seems rather minor doesn't it? Especially since oneness already affirms simultaneous roles.
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