Bishop SC Johnson

[Ilion]

Correct, he was flesh and blood; and it is true that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God", according to I Corintians 15:50. However, read the entire chapter of I Corinthians 15, where Paul explains how Jesus had to ascend in the flesh (John 20:17, Ephesians 4:10) and how he will return from heaven (Acts 1:11).

[Ilion]

Sis Perez:

Just take some time and think at some of these scriptures. Don't reply immediately.

It is true that God is our Saviour, as is mentioned in the New Testament (1 Timothy 1:1; Titus 3:4; Jude 1:25).

However, both Paul and Jude, with the rest of the apostles understood HOW God was the Saviour (Romans 5:10, Titus 3:6-8)

This is how God was the Saviour:
(2 Corinthians 5:18-20)
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself BY Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

What is important is that the Son of God is acknowledged:
John 5:23-- That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
I John 4:14-- And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

Is there a contradiction between I John 4:14, John 5:23 and the other scriptures mentioning God our Saviour? No, not at all. God saved us and reconciled us back unto himself THROUGH Jesus Christ.

Jesus said in John 10:30-- "I and my Father are one." You seem to be stating that they are the same, as you stated, "Jesus Christ is God Almighty, the everlasting father." That is not entirely true: Take a look at John 1:18, then at John 13:3. Jesus never stated at any time that he was altogether, completely God Almighty (Luke 18:18), but he did say:

(John 14:10) Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Where was God when Jesus Christ came to the earth (John 6:38-40)? The answer is easy: (John 5:36-39) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Sis. Perez, it is very easy to understand. Take time to read some of the scriptures that are mentioned. Don't think about me, or Warrior, or anyone else that you have debated with on this. Meditate on the scriptures (Psalms 119:48); dare to ask the Lord to give you the understanding (Proverbs 2:3-5), if you don't have the understanding already. This close to Jesus coming back for the church, it is worth the time to be sure (I Peter 1:10).

I truly would rather that God himself give you the revelation. I just invite you to rethink what you have been taught and compare it to scripture.

Peace be,

Ilion

[sis_perez]

Ilion,
How are you? Please do not think that I am being smart or anything on that manner. But I see and understand what you are saying, but I believe that the old and new testiments go hand in hand. The bible does not contradict itself. So please do not think that I am worring about what anyone thinks about how I think. I mean the word os the Word. For example, You have in your post that "I John 4:14-- And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world." now For example- we know that the son was sent to be the savior- So we all should agree that the son that was born of mary was not talking in Isaiah 43:10 -11 where it says "I am he: before me there was no God formed and, neither shall there be after me. I even I am the Lord; and beside me there is no savior. So is Jesus of the New Testiment the savior or is the Lord of the Old testiment the Savior? The bible is telling everybody all along that there is one. People can't see it because it is hid. I Believe that Jesus Christ is God Almighty. I mean which one are we supposed to Worship?

[sis_perez]

You asked where was God when Jesus Christ came to the earth. First I dont want to alarm you,or anyone that may read this, but the Son- that flesh in blood- never came from heaven. By Gods creating Power, the son started in the womb of Mary. The son did not come from Heaven. God came from heaven and he got into that body. Thats why he said the father dwelleth in him and I and my father are one and all that. Now-- let me ask you something- Do you have God in you? I dont know if you have been endued with Power from on high or not- But when we pray, we pray to the Father- which art in Heaven- Which is the Lords prayer--If I break it down in Simpler terms- I will say that God is everywhere. Why does everyone doubt the power of God. He fill the Heavens and the Earth. In Matt 16: 17 When Jesus questioned them, and Simon Peter answered that he was " The Christ" the son of the Livning God ( which he was the son at that time) Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jo-na: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my father which is in Heaven.--Yet the father was in him too. Right??? I do believe I am. This is also where folks seem to go Wrong when they say that an apostle can teach another apostle because- Jesus taught the apostles. Not seeing that it was the "Spirit" that was in him that opened their understanding.

[sis_perez]

You mentioned about the son being acknowledged. Acknowledged for what? Yes, He was the son at one time. But he always credited the father. He always prayed to the father. The Lord God Almighty is the one who saved the world. He is the Father. His name is Jesus. He made that body that he was in. He himself was the only thing pure enough to redeem us through his blood. The bible tells us God was manifested in the Flesh. When was that? I mean when was he in the world that made the world? and the world did not know him.
Ever heard of a son being called a father before he is born?? I told you before Jesus Chirist is God Almighty. The same spirit " Christ" that was in the son was the same spirit" Christ" that followed the people that were Baptised unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 1 Cor 10:4 for they drank of the Spiritual Rock that followed them; and that Rock was Christ.

[sis_perez]

The bible says "For the Life of the flesh IS in the Blood. Levit 17:11. The blood was shed. If the son is in Heaven then something aint right with the bible stating that "flesh and "blood" cannot inherit the kingdom of God", according to I Corintians 15:50. Why cant the people see that God raised his own body?? God is a spirit. That was a Glorified body. If there was blood in it, then I would agree to a son being up there. But the Blood was shed. The son was gone. God did all of this.

[sis_perez]

1 Month and I am the last one standing. Wrong cant win against right!

[Barb]

Originally Posted by sis_perez

1 Month and I am the last one standing. Wrong cant win against right!

Oh please...

[warrior]

Sister, **edited by Admin** Folks have proved you wrong so many times and so many ways. Everyone is exhausted and has decided to pursue converstations more worthy of their time.

I asked several posts ago if you would like to discuss anything else. You never responded. What can I say.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Barb

Oh please...

Sis, Forgive me for adding to your post... but this emoticon is the perfect addition.