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03-19-2007, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chan
The logos (word) was not begotten (unless you believe in a sort of figurative begetting similar to how one might beget one's thoughts and words, but I don't see evidence of that in scripture). The logos did not have a beginning. The SON, on the other hand, was begotten and, thus, had a beginning. By saying that ALL of Jesus is God is to say that Jesus' flesh is God (a form of the divine flesh heresy). The flesh can't be God because the flesh had a beginning. You are doing what the Council at Chalcedon did: commingling Jesus' divinity with His humanity, the result of which being that it was God that died on the cross, God that suffered, etc.
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Chan,The word is begotten (born) (regenerated). ONLY the word can be regenerated,not God's Spirit.John.1
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John.14
[10] Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
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03-19-2007, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Joelel
OK Chan,Your teaching the name of God has no authority(power).
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No, that is not what I'm teaching. I'm saying that the authority is not in the appellation but in the PERSON having the appellation.
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You tell me,If you have any authority or power at all how do you know where it comes from ?
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It comes from the person or the position the person holds.
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How do you know who your salvation comes from if you don't know your God's name.Your authority or power may be comming from the god of this world if you don't connect him with a name.In other words you know not what god you serve.
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Knowing a particular appellation means nothing. Knowing the One to whom the appellation is given is what matters.
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03-19-2007, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Joelel
Chan,The word is begotten (born) (regenerated). ONLY the word can be regenerated,not God's Spirit.John.1
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John.14
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THIS DOES NOT SAY THAT THE LOGOS WAS BEGOTTEN. THE LOGOS EXISTED PRIOR TO THE FLESH THAT HE BECAME WAS BEGOTTEN.
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[10] Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
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Yes, Jesus is IN the Father and the Father is IN Jesus. It doesn't say "Jesus IS the Father and the Father IS Jesus."
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03-19-2007, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by OGIA
Oh, back to the ol' "only part of the Christ was God" theory, eh?  |
Yes, and you confirmed it when you said "The logos was made flesh. That flesh was humanity. That humanity was a man. That man was the Son of God. "
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I agree. The logos was made flesh. That flesh was humanity. That humanity was a man. That man was the Son of God. That Son of God was the Almighty God. That man IS Jesus Christ.
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No, the Son of God is the Son of God. The Son of God is the MAN Christ Jesus. The logos (word) that became flesh and dwelt among us is God.
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Precisely. The MAN that God became had a God, just like you and I do. That man had/has flesh.
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So why are you fighting me on that point?
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God has/had flesh. We will see it and Him one day soon, and then the world will know why the Lord said "When you have seen me, you have seen the Father" and why "IF YOU HAD KNOWN ME, you should have known my Father also" will then apply. Let the first and don't let the last statement apply to you, Chan. 
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What part of the passage where God said "I am not a man" do you not understand? Jesus is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the EXPRESS IMAGE of God's person. THAT is why Jesus could say what He said - His divinity is the Father's divinity.
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03-19-2007, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Chan
His divinity is the Father's divinity.
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If only you could see what you are saying. 
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- And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. [Zechariah 14:9]
- Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
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03-19-2007, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by OGIA
If only you could see what you are saying. |
I know exactly what I'm saying. To quote the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed...
"And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all ages...Begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made."
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03-19-2007, 03:17 PM
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To quote the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed...
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Does that come before or after the Gospels? 
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- And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. [Zechariah 14:9]
- Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
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03-19-2007, 08:01 PM
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No, that is not what I'm teaching. I'm saying that the authority is not in the appellation but in the PERSON having the appellation.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
It comes from the person or the position the person holds.
[B][SIZE=3][COLOR=navy]Knowing a particular appellation means nothing. Knowing the One to whom the appellation is given is what matters.
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Thank you Chan for your time.
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03-20-2007, 01:28 PM
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No, that is not what I'm teaching. I'm saying that the authority is not in the appellation but in the PERSON having the appellation.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
It comes from the person or the position the person holds.
[B][SIZE=3][COLOR=navy]Knowing a particular appellation means nothing. Knowing the One to whom the appellation is given is what matters.
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Chad,So your telling me false prophets or preachers or anyone false has the authority as well as true children of God ?
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03-20-2007, 01:35 PM
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THIS DOES NOT SAY THAT THE LOGOS WAS BEGOTTEN. THE LOGOS EXISTED PRIOR TO THE FLESH THAT HE BECAME WAS BEGOTTEN.[/SIZE][/B]
[B][SIZE=3]Yes, Jesus is IN the Father and the Father is IN Jesus. It doesn't say "Jesus IS the Father and the Father IS Jesus."
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Chan,When the word was made flesh.Being made flesh is being begotton (born)(Regenerated).John.1
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
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