Revoked Baptism? - Page 6

freeatlast · #51 03-13-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

Agreed! How many were fornicators and were baptized...and then slipped up again.....did he/she have to be rebaptized. I'm not talking about one who goes and plays the field....But mistakes do happen............

Yup. Good to able to agree with again

LadyChocolate · #52 03-13-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Yup. Good to able to agree with again

yeah, but don't get too comfy with agreeing

ha ha ha.....

#53 03-13-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Heard this weekend....

A young man came to a church wanting to be baptized.

He was refused the baptism.

He is living with his girlfriend.

He was told "baptism remits sin... but sin revokes baptism" and that he was refused the baptism until he and his girlfriend seperated housing or got married.

Your thoughts?

He is shacking up! Until he ends that arrangement (either by getting married or by moving into a different place without his girlfriend), he is in sin and has not repented. Now, if this is a case where he was convicted of his sin, repented and immediately went to be baptized, that's another issue but he would still need to end his living arrangement as fruit of his repentance.

LadyChocolate · #54 03-13-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan

He is shacking up! Until he ends that arrangement (either by getting married or by moving into a different place without his girlfriend), he is in sin and has not repented. He has no business seeking to be baptized if he has not even repented of his sins.

Oh, God forbid............... We must all be perfect and cleaned up our own ways so we are good enough for God....then maybe we can desire to be saved.... ..........

....and all this time I thought it was God who changed me!

Digging4Truth · #55 03-13-2007, 10:06 AM

Does the parable of the sower & the seed come to play in here somewhere?

Did the sower judge the ground or did he just sow and allow the seed and enjoy the success allowed by the given ground.

Some seed fell on bad ground and never took good root but the sower sowed it nonetheless.

Digging4Truth · #56 03-13-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan

He is shacking up! Until he ends that arrangement (either by getting married or by moving into a different place without his girlfriend), he is in sin and has not repented. Now, if this is a case where he was convicted of his sin, repented and immediately went to be baptized, that's another issue but he would still need to end his living arrangement as fruit of his repentance.

Further question then...

Would you question someone about smoking, jewelry, a woman in pants, cutting her hair etc before baptizing them?

#57 03-13-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Further question then...

Would you question someone about smoking, jewelry, a woman in pants, cutting her hair etc before baptizing them?

In the particular scenario presented, it seemed that the guy's shacking up was already known. The question here is the point at which the guy was asking to be baptized. If it was immediately upon repentance, I would baptize him immediately. If it is sometime later (days, weeks, months, years), I might be inclined to ask about what changes have occurred in his life with regard to sin since he repented (not that smoking, wearing jewelry, women wearing pants or cutting their hair are sins). In other words, I'd want to see the fruit of his repentance.

#58 03-13-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

Oh, God forbid............... We must all be perfect and cleaned up our own ways so we are good enough for God....then maybe we can desire to be saved.... ..........

....and all this time I thought it was God who changed me!

Read the rest of the post:

Now, if this is a case where he was convicted of his sin, repented and immediately went to be baptized, that's another issue but he would still need to end his living arrangement as fruit of his repentance.

It isn't about being perfect and cleaned up first, it's about a person who is openly living in a sinful living arrangement seeking to be baptized. If this person is seeking to be baptized, there needs to have been repentance and, in this case, repentance includes forsaking his sinful living arrangement.

Sherri · #59 03-13-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Further question then...

Would you question someone about smoking, jewelry, a woman in pants, cutting her hair etc before baptizing them?

Well, since we don't take issue with any of these except smoking, they wouldn't matter at all. I don't think you'll go to hell for smoking, but I do think it's an addiction that has control over the body and needs to be broken as you submit to God. Just like food addictions, etc. Anything that controls you is a weight from the enemy.

However, I think sexual sins are in a totally different field. They are non-negotiable according to Scripture. If someone is involved in a live-in relationship and they want to be baptized, I think they have to agree to give it up. JMHO. I think it's the same with a homosexual; they need to agree to give up that lifestyle if they are planning to be baptized.

If not, at what point do you let someone join your church? If they've been baptized, but haven't given up a sinful lifestyle, can they still be members?

Praxeas · #60 03-13-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Heard this weekend....

A young man came to a church wanting to be baptized.

He was refused the baptism.

He is living with his girlfriend.

He was told "baptism remits sin... but sin revokes baptism" and that he was refused the baptism until he and his girlfriend seperated housing or got married.

Your thoughts?

If my pastor knows a guy or girl is living with someone else....he will not baptize them. Why? Because baptism is for those that have repented. Get married or move out