Dan, with all fairness you misrepresent conservatives by using the term 'fascists'. Fascism has been documented to be the seedbed of the radical left....not the radical right.
I'm a social and fiscal conservative .... CC1 ... and cringe when I hear the fascists in the party spew their hate .....
Fascism is the anti-thesis of socialism ... see WWII.
Interestingly enough it's already been stated that Obamas is a straight up socialist in this thread ...
I'll just pass this on without comment.
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A Spry Farrakhan Sings Obama's Praises
Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:00 PM
In his first major public address since a cancer crisis, Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said Sunday that presidential candidate Barack Obama is the "hope of the entire world" that the U.S. will change for the better.
The 74-year-old Farrakhan, addressing an estimated crowd of 20,000 people at the annual Saviours' Day celebration, never outrightly endorsed Obama but spent most of the nearly two-hour speech praising the Illinois senator.
"This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better," he said. "This young man is capturing audiences of black and brown and red and yellow. If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Farrakhan compared Obama to the religion's founder, Fard Muhammad, who also had a white mother and black father.
"A black man with a white mother became a savior to us," he told the crowd of mostly followers. "A black man with a white mother could turn out to be one who can lift America from her fall."
Farrakhan also leveled small jabs at Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's rival for the Democratic nomination, suggesting that she represents the politics of the past and has been engaging in dirty politics.
Farrakhan's keynote address at McCormick Place, the city's convention center, wrapped up three days of events geared at unifying followers and targeting youth.
It had a different tone from a year ago, when Farrakhan made what was called his final public address at a Saviours' Day event in Detroit. The 74-year-old was recovering from complications from prostate cancer and months earlier had temporarily passed on leadership duties of the organization's day-to-day activities to an executive board.
I understand Reformed's position and hope for it deeply. But, the cynic in me reminds me that "The more things change the more the stay the same." Not a whole lot changed when Bill was prez (except we ended up with a good economy and a budget surplus) and I remember all the angst against him when he was elected and then re-elected (not including the Monica thing). Obama is getting the post-modern vote because he is novel, relative, and experiential. He's makes people FEEL something and that's all that matters in a pomo world. If it makes you feel good then it must be true. Kinda like a political feel good gospel of sorts. Even so, IF I do vote (that's a big if for this independent) I'll prob vote for Obama for the sheer reason that if anybody has a chance to get things done for poor people and disenfranchised people here and abroad it'll be him. In my view Hil and McCain have zero chance to actually get anything done either way. Both of them are too polarizing, in my opinion.
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I understand Reformed's position and hope for it deeply. But, the cynic in me reminds me that "The more things change the more the stay the same." Not a whole lot changed when Bill was prez (except we ended up with a good economy and a budget surplus) and I remember all the angst against him when he was elected and then re-elected (not including the Monica thing). Obama is getting the post-modern vote because he is novel, relative, and experiential. He's makes people FEEL something and that's all that matters in a pomo world. If it makes you feel good then it must be true. Kinda like a political feel good gospel of sorts. Even so, IF I do vote (that's a big if for this independent) I'll prob vote for Obama for the sheer reason that if anybody has a chance to get things done for poor people and disenfranchised people here and abroad it'll be him. In my view Hil and McCain have zero chance to actually get anything done either way. Both of them are too polarizing, in my opinion.
Remember that Bill governed from the center and was a member of a moderate Democrat organization.
Barak is a self proffessed liberal.
these are vastly different things.
Also, after 2 years of Bill we elected a strong conservitive House and Senate. that in itself prevented the country from lurching to the left.
I expect working majorities in both house and senate after this election.
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Bill was a self-professed liberal just as GWB was a self-professed conservative and they all end up governing in the middle somewhere. That's why I'm not worried about Barak's "liberal" tag. He'll either govern in the middle or try to do some lefty stuff and conservatives will galvanized against him and elect majorities as you mentioned. That's what Dems did to GW and neither side can get anything substantive done, in my opinion. My hope is that we as a nation will do more to help people rather than merely protect our interests. I don't see HIl or McCain even trying to do that. At least Barak talks about it and this hope is what I think fuels the grass-roots response from the younger voters. They want things to be better, not more of the same. Whether he can deliver on that is questionable at best, but at least he has a chance at actually doing it, thus will prob get my vote. It'll be the first time I voted for a Dem since I started voting. If I don't vote it'll be the first election where I didn't vote. Hey, these are just my opinions. Mine stink just as much as everybody else's.
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I just can't imagine the headlines "Obama withdraws troops as search for Obama ends" or "Obama vows to attack American again as Obama passes universal health care"
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