Obama, Clinton. Which is the lesser of two evils?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I suspect that is why the rating is so low.

I would have to look but I suspect if you look at when the immagration thing blew up last year, Bush dipped from the mid 40's to the mid 30's because conservitives became dissapointed in his stance on that issue.


Bush is hated by the left in an almost pathalogical way.
Bush is a disappointment to the right because of medicade reform, immigration reform and on over all spending.

Those in the middle disapprove because their attention span is more related to heating burritos in their microwave than it is related to understanding the nuance of fighting a protracted war against a dangerous ideology.

so GWB gets hit from all sides. I am not happy with him for the stated conservative reasons, and because of an abject failure of the administration in communicating the goals, and successes of the war on terror.

i am also disappointed with him for failing to control republicans in congress and letting them turn into Democrat light.

so, yea, GWB isn't approved of by cons either.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Ferd

those in the middle disapprove because their attention span is more related to heating burritos in their microwave than it is related to understanding the nuance of fighting a protracted war against a dangerous ideology.

Indeed, many American voters are more informed and passionate about their burritos in the microwave, than about the real issues of our day.

The very fact that Obama is being treated like some kind of political Messiah is evidence of that.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Indeed, many American voters are more informed and passionate about their burritos in the microwave, than about the real issues of our day.

The very fact that Obama is being treated like some kind of political Messiah is evidence of that.

amen to that bro, they just want mama to take care of them, lol, enough, grow up and take care of yourself, lol,dt

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

amen to that bro, they just want mama to take care of them, lol, enough, grow up and take care of yourself, lol,dt

Preach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

those in the middle disapprove because their attention span is more related to heating burritos in thier microwave than it is related to understanding the nuance of fighting a protracted war against a dangerous idology.

I've made some observations...it's more than just "those in the middle".

[ChristopherHall]

I have an opinion on the “change, change, change” cry throughout the land. My family is about to loose our home (please keep us in prayer; we’re supposed to know sometime this week if we can work out a deal if they don’t ask for more information to start the process all over again like they have twice). I know several other families who have already lost their homes. Here in the Midwest there are vast numbers of laid off workers who watched their jobs move overseas and have quit looking for work or are now working in fast food and lower paying service jobs. Families are watching their grocery bill steadily rise while they are throwing more and more money into their gas tanks to get to the jobs they’re lucky to have. I know businesses that are being slowly strangled to death by rising operation costs (partly due to rising fuel costs) and health care costs for their employees. There are families who have children and parents engaged in a war without any perceivable end that may have been preemptively launched based on flawed intelligence…or worse…false pretenses.

I think the “change, change, change”, is actually… “Help, help, help, we’re hurting, hurting, hurting, and loosing all we’ve worked for as Americans.”

Here’s my advice for the next President whoever they may be, regardless of party….

“Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquility.” – Daniel 4:27

The people and families are groaning under the failed polices of the current king.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I have an opinion on the “change, change, change” cry throughout the land. My family is about to loose our home (please keep us in prayer; we’re supposed to know sometime this week if we can work out a deal if they don’t ask for more information to start the process all over again like they have twice). I know several other families who have already lost their homes. Here in the Midwest there are vast numbers of laid off workers who watched their jobs move overseas and have quit looking for work or are now working in fast food and lower paying service jobs. Families are watching their grocery bill steadily rise while they are throwing more and more money into their gas tanks to get to the jobs they’re lucky to have. I know businesses that are being slowly strangled to death by rising operation costs (partly due to rising fuel costs) and health care costs for their employees. There are families who have children and parents engaged in a war without any perceivable end that may have been preemptively launched based on flawed intelligence…or worse…false pretenses.

I think the “change, change, change”, is actually… “Help, help, help, we’re hurting, hurting, hurting, and loosing all we’ve worked for as Americans.”

Here’s my advice for the next President whoever they may be, regardless of party….

“Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquility.” – Daniel 4:27

The people and families are groaning under the failed polices of the current king.

So long as we are giving advice to Presidents...

Remember after Solomon died and his son took the advice of the young men to raise the taxes? He should have listened to the old men who told him to cut the people some slack. Taxing me more to pay for more socialist programs is a mistake.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

So long as we are giving advice to Presidents...

Remember after Solomon died and his son took the advice of the young men to raise the taxes? He should have listened to the old men who told him to cut the people some slack. Taxing me more to pay for more socialist programs is a mistake.

You know what is really interesting?

in the middle ages, when a Lord raised the taxes on the pesants to 15% they generally revolted.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ferd

You know what is really interesting?

in the middle ages, when a Lord raised the taxes on the pesants to 15% they generally revolted.

It seems more and more people are happy to have the government take what they make and give them back what the government thinks they need, food stamps, housing, healthcare, etc. I did an international law program in France and our host family was upset at the idea of having to work 38 hours a week. They felt the government owed them a job, at no more than 35 hours a week, and at least 5 weeks vacation.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

It seems more and more people are happy to have the government take what they make and give them back what the government thinks they need, food stamps, housing, healthcare, etc. I did an international law program in France and our host family was upset at the idea of having to work 38 hours a week. They felt the government owed them a job, at no more than 35 hours a week, and at least 5 weeks vacation.

that french attitude, I fear is slowly creeping into America.