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Depending on the method of the preaching. Sounds like what Theresa describes is appropriate, but I've personally heard preaching where it wasn't appropriate.

And since so many people associate being overweight with gluttony (just look at this thread, for instance), I would be quite uncomfortable listening to that kind of message.

Take care of my body, use hygiene techniques, etc, sure. That's good for anyone to hear. Eating right is also useful for anyone, but preaching against gluttony? Do we really know that definition?
I agree. When people refuse to eat right because they just don't want to turn down food I think it is wrong.
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BTW, I am always struggling with my weight so I know how hard it is.
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Quite a few. My whole family on my mother's side and my husband's side are overweight and it is from overeating.
Are you sure?

Not that I'm denying that, because eating habits and culture among other things are certainly factors, but being overweight is also hereditary even when one eats right.

My reason for saying it's subjective is that, we can look at someone eating and think they are eating too much, but how do we know?

I eat less than a 2 yr old and will for the rest of my life. If I eat more than that, I'll be overeating. I cannot look at someone who is 30 pounds overweight and think they are eating too much based on my perception of 'overeating'. Know what I mean?
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When you put Food above God then it is sin.
Anything put above God is sin, but food above God isn't gluttony.
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I agree. When people refuse to eat right because they just don't want to turn down food I think it is wrong.
Then why preach against gluttony only?

That means anyone with heart disease, high cholesterol, Type 2 diabetes, and such diseases and conditions should also be preached against as sin.

I don't have proof, but I'm sure we have ALL ate something at one time or another that we know isn't good for us, but we do it anyway, don't we?

Ask any woman in here if she will throw chocolate in the trash and never touch it again.......LOL!

There might be a couple, me being one of them, but it will be far from the majority!
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Anything put above God is sin, but food above God isn't gluttony.
NO, but to me (IMO) when you eat till you are miserable at just about every meal that is gluttony. You should eat until you are satisfied and then be finished. Is this hard to do?? YES!!! And I am sure we all have our moments when we eat more than we should but I try to not make it a habit in my life but maybe only do it at special meals or something. Hey, my husband used to be horrible!! He would not even fast because he refused to skip a meal and when he would eat he would eat till he couldn't eat another bite. He was and still is FAR from being overweight. But he has learned not to put food first. He makes himself fast now and he has learned to just eat until he is full and that there will still be food there when he gets hungry again. Lol!
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Can't drink soda, coffee, caffeinated tea, chocolate, 2% or 4% milk, can't eat ribeyes, bacon, pork, salad dressing, high salt foods, high fat foods, high sugar foods, anything with Splenda, Aspartame, or saccarin, anything with preservatives.......and the list goes on and on.

Is it ok to pick and choose?

I believe it is.
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NO, but to me (IMO) when you eat till you are miserable at just about every meal that is gluttony. You should eat until you are satisfied and then be finished. Is this hard to do?? YES!!! And I am sure we all have our moments when we eat more than we should but I try to not make it a habit in my life but maybe only do it at special meals or something. Hey, my husband used to be horrible!! He would not even fast because he refused to skip a meal and when he would eat he would eat till he couldn't eat another bite. He was and still is FAR from being overweight. But he has learned not to put food first. He makes himself fast now and he has learned to just eat until he is full and that there will still be food there when he gets hungry again. Lol!

There are very few people in the world who eat until they are miserable. They also have mental issues that effect how they view food and until those issues are addressed, no amount of preaching in the world will help them change.

Did you know that your tummy doesn't know it's full until about 20 minutes after the food has hit it?

That means that by the time you feel full, you have already eaten more than you should have.

And you are pregnant. This isn't a good time for you to talk about food....LOL!
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It amazes me how sensitive women get when weight, eating, food, etc. is mentioned. I hardly ever see men do that. I wonder why.
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Someday they will find out it is more than about food. There a lot of different dynamics going on.

Metabolism, genetics, how our bodies process, and respond to food.(in cases of diabetics, hypoglycemics.)


I was reading this info the other day:

World Health Orginazation, Consultation on Obesity reported:

"Obesity is a chronic disease, prevalent in both developed and developing countries, and affecting children as well as adults. Indeed it is so common that it is replacing the more traditional public health concerns, including undernutrition and infectious diseases, as one of the most significant contributors to ill health."

The WHO publishes the International Classification of Diseases (ICD-9-CM), which lists Obesity and Other Hyperalimentation as an Endocrine, Nutritional, Metabolic and Immunity Disease. The ICD-9-CM is recommended for use in all clinical settings, and is required for reporting diagnoses and diseases to all U.S. Public Health Service and Health Care Financing Administration programs. The World Health Organization recently included the Metabolic Syndrome in ICD-10 (#277). Obesity is a component of the Metabolic Syndrome

http://www.obesity.org/treatment/obesity.shtml

When I was a young girl I lost a large amount of weight by starving myself. I was anorexic and bulimic for many years. ( I can not believe I am telling this) When I was overcoming this battle, I never could eat more than one meal a day without gaining my weight back. I ruined my metabolism.

When I became pregnant I started to eat (I wanted a child more than anything) All the weight came back on. Over the course of my life my weight has yo yoed.

There are different things that cause lung cancer, ex ,smoking, mining, asbestose etc..... Same way with weight, different reasons cause the same result.

I think gluttony is when you overeat to the point of stuffing your self.
I have seen thin gluttons. In my opinion everyone who is overweight is not a glutton. Everyone who drinks is not an alcoholic.

Gluttony: one who eats to excess. one eager of anything to excess.

Once again Moderation is all things....
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