17 Kids and Counting

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

AHHH! This anti-children agenda is terrible- people are wishing their relatives would die off to save us from overcrowding! I once heard that Texas could fit every human on earth within its borders and the population density would be that of New York City, now obviously no one is going to live in Antartica, but there's still PLENTY of room...

Also, I didn't know about the tax right off being that good, that's exciting news- all the more reason to expand the Kingdom! My thought is this, concerning the men, where has the desire gone to get a wife, have a dozen kids and see a lineage follow you to Glory?! There is nothing more that I want than to have 100 decendants all on a campground as I wheel myself up on a wheel chair (when I'm in my late 90s or so), take the mike and bless the food that my half dozen sons barbequed! If the people of GOD would have, say 7-12 kids each, and each of those kids got married and had 7-12, just in children, their spouses and kids within 2 generations there'd be over a hundred people, and if you raise them right... and they win souls.... and those souls have big families... WE COULD TAKE OVER THE WORLD! (Now I'm sounding like a post millenialist, )

But come on, sure it's a lot of work, but the people of GOD can do it. Westerners are going to be outnumbered by the Muslims soon if we don't!

Also, talking about vasectomies is GROSS, and getting one has GOT TO BE WRONG! I know it's not in the Book per say, but if they wrote about such a thing, the people of that day probably wouldn't have believed it (same as if they wrote something like, "Don't go to movie theaters" or something like that). Actually the Law is fairly clear in not messing with our reproductive systems that GOD gave us. Along with being fruitful, there are commands AGAINST allowing certain kinds of men to hold priesthood if they had gotten injured in some way.

I just don't get it. I'm 19, looking to get married one day, should the LORD provide an apostolic girl who wants to have a dozen children, and to think that there are brothers with wives that are preventing themselves from having children, and looking at children as a burden and messing with the plan of GOD... I feel bad for you, I don't know how the spirit of the world got to you in this deceptive way

-Bro. Alex

Ah, the innocence of youth!

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Ah, the innocence of youth!

Oh, the sloth of the old!

-Bro. Alex

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

Oh, the sloth of the old!

-Bro. Alex

Hmmm.....I must be really old, cause it makes no sense.

But hey, you'll wisen up one of these days, and you'll be just as 'slothy' as the rest of us!

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

As I have said before, there is something about this family that creeps me out. Something that is just not "right".
I almost feel like Mrs Duggers "mask" will fall off one of these episodes revealing her robotic underside and it will be up to Col Steve Austin to battle her on the desert hillside.

LOL!!!

I know exactly what you are talking about. I had the thought that one day she is going to spontaneously combust...

[Carpenter]

I have this pinch of sadness because we have been trying for years to have another and it just isn't happening. So we will be very happy and content with one...the most beautiful one on the planet.

...but it is sad not being able to give her a sibling and having to watch other families with that dynamic in place. Now that I think about it not to mention all the hair and skirt stuff getting under my skin, it kind of breaks my heart to see the interaction between the brothers and sisters.

I can only imagine how childless couples feel...

I always tell my daughter when she asks if we are going to have more or why we haven't had more kids, that I wish she had a twin or two twin sisters...because I would love to have more kids exactly like her...

[ILG]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

So much to say here...... <sigh>

It IS pure selfishness for someone WITH kids to ignore or give them less than 100% but it is also pure wisdom to NOT have kids if you know you can't give them 100%..............

Oh yes, if you have "tons of kids" will you still claim every one as a tax deduction? Our old neighbors have 5. They didn't have a single cent withheld from their paychecks in federal or state income taxes and STILL GOT BACK OVER SIX GRAND! They "think" they aren't on welfare......

And on another note, why are we allowed to pick and choose from Catholicism when it comes to how we should live? We should follow them in their push for large families yet shun them because of Christmas?

They are not on welfare. They don't make the tax system. People raising kids are doing a huge job. Somebody has to do it and I admire them.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by HappyTown

Randy when we lived in UT most our neighbors had eight kids or more, yes most the moms were on Prozac. I can't tell you how many times their kids were playing in the road almost hit by cars, while mommy just sat there in a half baked daze!

They were on prozac because they were worried that the Mormon church might allow polygamy again anyday! (And that is no joke!)

[jtork]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

AHHH! This anti-children agenda is terrible- people are wishing their relatives would die off to save us from overcrowding! I once heard that Texas could fit every human on earth within its borders and the population density would be that of New York City, now obviously no one is going to live in Antartica, but there's still PLENTY of room...

Also, I didn't know about the tax right off being that good, that's exciting news- all the more reason to expand the Kingdom! My thought is this, concerning the men, where has the desire gone to get a wife, have a dozen kids and see a lineage follow you to Glory?! There is nothing more that I want than to have 100 decendants all on a campground as I wheel myself up on a wheel chair (when I'm in my late 90s or so), take the mike and bless the food that my half dozen sons barbequed! If the people of GOD would have, say 7-12 kids each, and each of those kids got married and had 7-12, just in children, their spouses and kids within 2 generations there'd be over a hundred people, and if you raise them right... and they win souls.... and those souls have big families... WE COULD TAKE OVER THE WORLD! (Now I'm sounding like a post millenialist, )

But come on, sure it's a lot of work, but the people of GOD can do it. Westerners are going to be outnumbered by the Muslims soon if we don't!

Also, talking about vasectomies is GROSS, and getting one has GOT TO BE WRONG! I know it's not in the Book per say, but if they wrote about such a thing, the people of that day probably wouldn't have believed it (same as if they wrote something like, "Don't go to movie theaters" or something like that). Actually the Law is fairly clear in not messing with our reproductive systems that GOD gave us. Along with being fruitful, there are commands AGAINST allowing certain kinds of men to hold priesthood if they had gotten injured in some way.

I just don't get it. I'm 19, looking to get married one day, should the LORD provide an apostolic girl who wants to have a dozen children, and to think that there are brothers with wives that are preventing themselves from having children, and looking at children as a burden and messing with the plan of GOD... I feel bad for you, I don't know how the spirit of the world got to you in this deceptive way

-Bro. Alex

OH My - You have so much to learn - part of God's plan is for us to use the brain he gave us! Just because something happens does not mean it is God's plan! Sometimes God lets us suffer the consequences of our choices and believe you me I am sure I would suffer MUCH if I had 12 or more kids!!! :-)

[Traci]

Some couples believe that God should be in control of all areas of there lives including how many children they have. Nothing wrong with that.

[jtork]

That's good that they feel that way - why don't we all just get in a car and shut our eyes and drive down the freeway and let God be in control - can he get us safely through the freeway - of course he could - just saying we should use the common sense God gave us.