Worship Casualties: Who speaks for the injured? - Page 6

Hoovie · #1 06-05-2010, 05:01 PM

I do think OBEs are real and not inherently good or evil.

If an otherwise stable and well balanced Christian has such an experience, they very well might handle it and might even believe it deepens their relationship with the Lord. I do not think it's a positive thing for most to seek the experience - especially new Christians or those not well established in the faith.

Just my current thoughts on the matter.

MissBrattified · #2 06-05-2010, 06:27 PM

Where did people get the idea that if they were "aware" of their actions, it wasn't really "worship?" CRAZY!!!! When my Dad started pastoring in MO, there was a guy in the church that would wildly flail his arms and sort of dance backward, often swiping people or even sitting on them. (He was a pretty big guy, too.) My Dad told him that it was okay to worship with his eyes open! He never really listened, though....

I've seen people do some crazy things, but usually they were watching where they were going. You have to watch out for the ones with their eyes closed.

Kind of like the guy who threw his coat at the singer in that Baptist video posted recently....if he aimed, then shame on him, but I'm guessing he was just wildly exuberant and had checked his brain at the pew!

Personally, I love lively church, but I don't love it when people lose their minds. You have to have a pastor who isn't afraid to correct someone when they get out of order.

MissBrattified · #3 06-05-2010, 06:34 PM

I definitely believe that sometimes people can be so overcome by the power of God that they can be "slain" in the spirit, more in the sense of feeling physically weak from the experience. The "trance-like" state that may ensue in some situations may be more rare, IMO, but we do read of something like that happening to John. "And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, fear not; I am the first and the last" (Rev. 1:17)

I also thought of Saul being struck down from his horse/camel/whatever, and so I don't doubt that people can *collapse* under the power of God. Do I believe in people like Benny Hinn? No way--I definitely think the majority of those events are the result of psychological power, not the power of God. Would I deny every personal experience as being real? No--if someone felt it was real, then it was real for them.

Sherri · #4 06-05-2010, 06:39 PM

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I definitely believe that sometimes people can be so overcome by the power of God that they can be "slain" in the spirit, more in the sense of feeling physically weak from the experience. The "trance-like" state that may ensue in some situations may be more rare, IMO, but we do read of something like that happening to John. "And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, fear not; I am the first and the last" (Rev. 1:17)

I also thought of Saul being struck down from his horse/camel/whatever, and so I don't doubt that people can *collapse* under the power of God. Do I believe in people like Benny Hinn? No way--I definitely think the majority of those events are the result of psychological power, not the power of God. Would I deny every personal experience as being real? No--if someone felt it was real, then it was real for them.

Good stuff, as always, MissB.

I know that what has happened to me in the past is real, so no one arguing can change that. Experience always wins out over arguments.

I remember one time Eddie started to pray for two women (sisters) who were standing together at the altar. They both had their eyes closed, and as he reached toward them, they both came up off their feet and landed flat on their backs with no one to catch them. It was the weirdest thing - Eddie never even touched them and they didn't see him. AND---they were not hurt in the least. Those kinds of things I know are God.

Fiyahstarter · #5 06-05-2010, 08:14 PM

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Good stuff, as always, MissB.

I know that what has happened to me in the past is real, so no one arguing can change that. Experience always wins out over arguments.

I remember one time Eddie started to pray for two women (sisters) who were standing together at the altar. They both had their eyes closed, and as he reached toward them, they both came up off their feet and landed flat on their backs with no one to catch them. It was the weirdest thing - Eddie never even touched them and they didn't see him. AND---they were not hurt in the least. Those kinds of things I know are God.

I can vouch -- had a similar experience. Undeniable POWER OF GOD.

You tread where you aught-n hadda, NOW.

Seriously, dude, you know not of what you speak.

notofworks · #6 06-05-2010, 08:30 PM

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I can vouch -- had a similar experience. Undeniable POWER OF GOD.

You tread where you aught-n hadda, NOW.

Seriously, dude, you know not of what you speak.

I love treading into truth. I am absolutely AMAZED by people who claim to embrace the bible, who rave about their knowledge of "The Word" and claim to "Have the truth", but yet, when their habits are found to be unfounded in the bible, or worse yet, contradict biblical principles, suddenly it's, "Oh, but I had an experience."

Experience does not rise to the level of biblical authority. Sorry.

Sam · #7 06-05-2010, 08:31 PM

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Experience does not rise to the level of biblical authority. Sorry.

AMEN!!

pastorrick1959 · #8 06-05-2010, 06:38 PM

god doesnt need a push ,,, i ben slayed and have prayed for many that god has done it too.
i sure aint gonna push them ,,many have told me their legs just went weak ,,,i dont care if they fall ,shout dance , sing, or what when i pray for then their response does not dictate what god is doing altogether.

had folks get miracles that never acted like they felt a thing .

i had a guy pray for me one time that shoved me and hurt my neck for a while ,,i dont like it at all. if god wants them to fall out , he can take care of that hisself ..

i wouldnt make fun of it ,just because you cant read ,book chapter and verse for it ,,dont make it not real ....

i think of an instancen in the bible where the disciples were worried about somones elses preaching ,, JESUS said leave them alone if theyb are not for us it will fail ,if they are on our side ,its ok.. thats the ricky revised version of that!

NotforSale · #9 06-05-2010, 08:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI

Jason B · #10 06-05-2010, 10:00 PM

great, I googled "charismatics wearing diapers Holy Spirit"

and look what on the first page of google.-AFF