Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?

[mental]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I believe He is still with flesh, but flesh made immortal as it was when it left the tomb.

Adam would have remained immortal had he not fallen, and been in the place Christ now is. But the Last man Adam was God incarnate, and that immortal flesh with which He resurrected is still somewhere!

The difference between the first Adam and the second Adam isn't mortal vs immortal flesh. It is a natural body vs a spiritual body.

1 Cor 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Well that's good to know. Perhaps you can finish your thought so that others can stop acting like I have some kind of secret agenda around here, or not..

My thoughts are open here.

Perhaps you can share more. Is Christ's existence as a Spirit (versus the belief in a bodily resurrection), telltale of other divergent Christological views you might have?

Personally, I fully expect to see those nail scarred hands when I get to Gloryland.

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

My thoughts are open here.

Perhaps you can share more. Is Christ's existence as a Spirit (versus the belief in a bodily resurrection), telltale of other divergent Christological views you might have?

Personally, I fully expect to see those nail scarred hands when I get to Gloryland.

I believe Christ physically resurrected and I believe it was symbolic of the law, some kind of first fruit event, He was the only one promised not to see corruption.

I now believe the Holy Ghost working in us is a Spiritual resurrection in which we pass from death to eternal life, Spiritually.

The only scripture that gives me any indication that Christ is still literally in flesh is that He ever lives to make intercession for us from:

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

And even then I see that as simply meaning that God will never forget the work of the cross, not that Jesus is up there in space floating around at an altar, literally praying for us on his fleshly hands and knees (Besides some say he's sitting on a chair.) Is He sitting or is He kneeling?

Come on bro it's all Spiritual, God is Spirit and so is His Kingdom...

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
Do people pray to a flesh entity?

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Words in this passage comes from "Rhema" not "Logos."
Rhema means speech, utterance, you hear a sound.

All power and authority transferred from one promise to another, it transferred from one set of words that were spoken to another set of words that were spoken. These spoken Words are Spirit & Life, not flesh...

I have now thought about it, Christ has the body He had after His resurrection, it was flesh, yet different than ours. It was incorruptible. You can now count my vote as a "Yes".

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
Do people pray to a flesh entity?

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Words in this passage comes from "Rhema" not "Logos."
Rhema means speech, utterance, you hear a sound.

All power and authority transferred from one promise to another, it transferred from one set of words that were spoken to another set of words that were spoken. These spoken Words are Spirit & Life, not flesh...

I have no idea what you are talking about but to answer the thread title, yes, of course, Jesus is sitting on the throne of God in his physical immortal body. It will be the same exact immortal body that He returns to earth in when He comes back in the clouds.

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

[mfblume]

Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
Do people pray to a flesh entity?

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Words in this passage comes from "Rhema" not "Logos."
Rhema means speech, utterance, you hear a sound.

All power and authority transferred from one promise to another, it transferred from one set of words that were spoken to another set of words that were spoken. These spoken Words are Spirit & Life, not flesh...

The flesh on the throne is not what nor Who we pray to. The flesh on the throne is the Sonship which still possesses immortal flesh.

John 6 has nothing to do with the issue, in my opinion. John 6 is saying that the literal eating and drinking of Christ's flesh and blood was not the point Jesus was making, when the listeners thought it was. Jesus was actually using those thoughts as pictures of believing HIS WORDS ABOUT THE WORK OF THE CROSS.

The communion supper was eating his flesh and drinking his blood, but not literally as the Catholics think. It represented TAKING THE BROKENNESS of His flesh from the death of the cross, and the shedding of his blood from the cross, and applying it to ourselves in indication that WE DIED WITH HIM. What happened to Him on the cross must be understand as what happened to US spiritually.

So Jesus meant that the TEACHINGS He gave, and what the apostles would give, about the CROSS were represented by the eating of his flesh and drinking his blood. And THOSE TEACHINGS were what give life. Jesus formerly said eating and drinking his flesh and blood gave eternal life. He clarified that when they took Him literally, and He said HIS WORDS are what give LIFE.

When He asked if the disciples would leave as so many others did at that point, Peter showed that he caught what Jesus meant. WHERE ELSE CAN WE GO TO FIND WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE?

So these words have nothing to do with saying Jesus has no flesh any more. Apples and oranges.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The flesh on the throne is not what nor Whom we pray to. The flesh on the throne is the Sonship which still possesses immortal flesh.

John 6 has nothing to do with the issue, in my opinion. John 6 is saying that the literal eating and drinking of Christ's flesh and blood was not the point Jesus was making, when the listeners thought it was. Jesus was actually using those thoughts as pictures of believing HIS WORDS ABOUT THE WORK OF THE CROSS.

The communion supper was eating his flesh and drinking his blood, but not literally as the Catholics think. It represented TAKING THE BROKENNESS of His flesh from the death of the cross, and the shedding of his blood from the cross, and applying it to ourselves in indication that WE DIED WITH HIM. What happened to Him on the cross must be understand as what happened to US spiritually.

So Jesus meant that the TEACHINGS He gave, and what the apostles would give, about the CROSS were represented by the eating of his flesh and drinking his blood. And THOSE TEACHINGS were what give life. Jesus formerly said eating and drinking his flesh and blood gave eternal life. He clarified that when they took Him literally, and He said HIS WORDS are what give LIFE.

When He asked if the disciples would leave as so many others did at that point, Peter showed that he caught what Jesus meant. WHERE ELSE CAN WE GO TO FIND WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE?

So these words have nothing to do with saying Jesus has no flesh any more. Apples and oranges.

Jesus had words of eternal life when he was manifest in physical flesh. So we cannot say that statement implies Jesus is not in flesh any more, nor that he changed from flesh to spirit. If He was in mortal flesh and already had words of eternal life, then reference to words of eternal life have nothing to do with whether or not He still has flesh.

Joh 6:68 KJV Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

We do not pray to the flesh of Christ whether it was mortal or now immortal.

Joh 16:23 KJV And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Jesus had words of eternal life when he was manifest in physical flesh. So we cannot say that statement implies Jesus is not in flesh any more, nor that he changed from flesh to spirit. If He was in mortal flesh and already had words of eternal life, then reference to words of eternal life have nothing to do with whether or not He still has flesh.

Joh 6:68 KJV Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

We do not pray to the flesh of Christ whether it was mortal or now immortal.

Joh 16:23 KJV And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Are you hoping for some kind of rebuttal? You took my statements out of context.

The scripture that shows me that the Sonship of Christ has ceased is 1 Cor 15:24-28

God is now ALL in ALL. The entire bible is past tense now with todays audience.

My reference to John was simply that spoken Words of truth are Spirit and Life...

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Are you hoping for some kind of rebuttal? You took my statements out of context.

I think you took John 6 out of context. That was my point.

The scripture that shows me that the Sonship of Christ has ceased is 1 Cor 15:24-28

I propose that passage has not been fulfilled yet, so I disagree. the end has not come yet. At the end, there is a resurrection of the those who are Christ's at his coming. Since there has been no physical resurrection yet as this entire chapter proposes, the end has not yet come.

God is now ALL in ALL. The entire bible is past tense now with todays audience.

My reference to John was simply that spoken Words of truth are Spirit and Life...

What does John 6 have to do with the issue you propose of Christ no longer being in flesh?

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I have no idea what you are talking about

I'm simply saying that the spoken Word (Rhema,) is Spirit and Life.

God is a Spirit.

Spirit is on the Throne.

Words are Spirit.

Words are Life.

God/Spirit/Word/Life All One in the same.

Jesus is called The Word of God..