Here Comes the Bride...............

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Pharaisaical false Christianity is selective in what rules to obey, and seeks to obey as a form of salvation. As Prax pointed out, NITW points out the jewelry issue of Revelation, and not the clothing issue. The problem is, John is describing in his vision the harlot, and is not speaking out against what she wears.

Pharisaical false Christianity is humanism and Pelagianism run amuck, using God as a means to their desired end, and then using their own works as a means to attain salvation. It is really quite selfish in it, and not God glorifying.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Narrow Is The Way

And she isn't wearing any Jewelry.

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Looks to me like a bad spirit, an unholy heart, and a jewelry wearer go together.

Any thoughts?

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

That was part of the verse that you used. Why focus on only part of that verse?

Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:How can you possibly focus on the jewelry aspect of it and ignore the color aspect? Why would you do that?

The same thing is done to the verses that include costly array and elaborate hairdos. Pick your pet doctrine out of it, and ignore the rest.

To be honest, I would be more concerned with what the woman had in her
hand, and what that cup contained. She's was about to drink of the cup of
the wrath of GOD!

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Narrow Is The Way

And she isn't wearing any Jewelry.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

As opposed to the Harlot we read about in Chapter 17.

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Why does the Bible close with a comparison of two women?

Why did the writer want us to know that the harlot was decked with gold?

Why do people think adornment is not important?

If you wear Jewelry, are you concerned that the Bride of Christ was without Jewelry?

And for those of you that think I am only concerned about the outward appearance, is it just a coincidence that the harlot (adorned with all that jewelry) also was named as a fornicator, unrighteous, etc.?

I thought Jewelry was a deterrent to fornication according to the Geniuses that were posting on the wedding ring thread?

Last but not least, do you dress like the harlot or the bride? Is your spirit like the harlot or the Bride?

Looks to me like a bad spirit, an unholy heart, and a jewelry wearer go together.

Any thoughts?

Excellent point. Never considered this before.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Excellent point. Never considered this before.

If you're going to consider it, please consider it fully. Don't cherry pick one phrase out of the verse and build a doctrine on it.

Consider it in the context of the entire Bible.

Consider that he was using metaphors and was describing a woman who was full of finery, but had a golden cup full of abominations and fornications. That even though she looked splendid, she was wicked inside.

Consider the fact that God's bride was several times described in much the same way, minus the cup full of abominations.

Consider the fact that you can't say - "See, see!! She was wearing jewelry, that means it's a whore's adorning!!!" and completely ignore the fact that she was also wearing red and purple.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Maybe you should study God's marriage to Israel, appearently God "adorned" His bride with jewelry, bracelets, necklaces, etc....

(NLT) Ezekiel 16:4 When you were born, no one cared about you. Your umbilical cord was left uncut, and you were never washed, rubbed with salt, and dressed in warm clothing. 5 No one had the slightest interest in you; no one pitied you or cared for you. On the day you were born, you were dumped in a field and left to die, unwanted. 6 "But I came by and saw you there, helplessly kicking about in your own blood. As you lay there, I said, 'Live!' 7 And I helped you to thrive like a plant in the field. You grew up and became a beautiful jewel. Your breasts became full, and your hair grew, though you were still naked. 8 And when I passed by and saw you again, you were old enough to be married. So I wrapped my cloak around you to cover your nakedness and declared my marriage vows. I made a covenant with you, says the Sovereign LORD, and you became mine. 9 "Then I bathed you and washed off your blood, and I rubbed fragrant oils into your skin. 10 I gave you expensive clothing of linen and silk, beautifully embroidered, and sandals made of fine leather. 11 I gave you lovely jewelry, bracelets, and beautiful necklaces, 12 a ring for your nose and earrings for your ears, and a lovely crown for your head. 13 And so you were made beautiful with gold and silver. Your clothes were made of fine linen and were beautifully embroidered. You ate the finest foods -- fine flour, honey, and olive oil -- and became more beautiful than ever. You looked like a queen, and so you were! 14 Your fame soon spread throughout the world on account of your beauty, because the splendor I bestowed on you perfected your beauty, says the Sovereign LORD.

Read on a little further brother!

15But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

16And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

17Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them

Since no flesh should glory in His presence, God has taken away the jewels and adornment that leads to pride. The bride is now given this command.

"Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quite spirit, which is int he sight of God a great price." (I Peter 3:3-4)

We also read in Isaiah 3:18,19 that "the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces, the earrings and bracelets and veils".

Finally, "So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God" (I Corinthians 10:31)

Does it glorify God to partake in something that at one point led His people into sin and he took away?

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Read on a little further brother!

15But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

16And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

17Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them

Since no flesh should glory in His presence, God has taken away the jewels and adornment that leads to pride. The bride is now given this command.

"Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quite spirit, which is int he sight of God a great price." (I Peter 3:3-4)

We also read in Isaiah 3:18,19 that "the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces, the earrings and bracelets and veils".

Finally, "So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God" (I Corinthians 10:31)

Does it glorify God to partake in something that at one point led His people into sin and he took away?

Again, cherry picking.

What about verse 16? They took their clothing and played the harlot upon them. So must we do away with nice clothing?

Why do you guys do this?? Why do you only pick out the verses that support the doctrine you want to support? I truly don't understand this.

[*AQuietPlace*]

The verses in Ezekiel and Isaiah would read more like this if written in our day and age:

"I blessed you! I gave you fine homes and nice automobiles. I filled your bank account, you were able to go on nice trips and buy fancy clothing.

But you forgot me!! You began to trust in your riches instead of trusting me! So I am going to take these things away from you. You are going to become destitute! You are going to know that you can't trust in vain riches."


He's not saying that his blessings were a sin. It was their forgetting HIM that was a sin!

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Again, cherry picking.

What about verse 16? They took their clothing and played the harlot upon them. So must we do away with nice clothing?

Why do you guys do this?? Why do you only pick out the verses that support the doctrine you want to support? I truly don't understand this.

Sister, i believe in modesty. I do not believe it is ok to wear elaborate clothing that is distracting and draws attention to itself. Is it ok to wear 'nice' clothes? Absolutely! I try to dress in a way that looks presentable and nice yet doesnt stand out in a crowd. I undestand your frustration. I attend many conservative conferences and i see dresses and hairstyles that are quite extravagant. I do not believe this is pleasing to the Lord. I also hear this preached against often. I cannot help what someone else does or wears, but i will proclaim the way of holiness. In all we do, say, and wear i believe it is essential to examine our motives and determine whether we are doing it for the glory of our own flesh or for the glory of our GOD.

[kclee4jc]

Also would like to point something out. In most conservative camps, we men wear white or at the very least a rather plain colored shirt. The Lord personally convicted me of wearing brightly colored and flashy shirts and ties. I don't judge others who do but I want what i do to be pleasing to God and to glorify Him. I guess I'm just trying to show that there is more balance and consistency that what some often realize.