Creflo Dollar

[Jermyn Davidson]

Regardless of their faults, my brother is a better man today.

I don't think Pastor Dollar choked his daughter.


To imply or state that discipline should not have to get physical with teenagers may be truthful, but it is not always reality.


Seriously, there are some children and some teens who are in need of physical discipline-- not advocating choking or abuse, but physical discipline is sometimes necessary.

If my 15 year old son or daughter demanded that I let her out of the house at 10:00pm, let alone 1:00am and then tried to force her way out, I would physically stop him or her.

Then I'd give them the phone so that they can call whoever they want to call so that they can tell whomever all about how their father's love.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Regardless of their faults, my brother is a better man today.

I don't think Pastor Dollar choked his daughter.


To imply or state that discipline should not have to get physical with teenagers may be truthful, but it is not always reality.


Seriously, there are some children and some teens who are in need of physical discipline-- not advocating choking or abuse, but physical discipline is sometimes necessary.

If my 15 year old son or daughter demanded that I let her out of the house at 10:00pm, let alone 1:00am and then tried to force her way out, I would physically stop him or her.

Then I'd give them the phone so that they can call whoever they want to call so that they can tell whomever all about how their father's love.

I understand that we live in an imperfect world, but parents must be very careful when applying physical punishment. I understand that even with the best of parenting some children rebel, however, we should not give them fuel for their anger. Parent anger gives justification for rebellion. Parenting is best done from early age with love and firmness. Still some children still go thru a time of rebellion, some for a lifetime.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Regardless of their faults, my brother is a better man today.

I don't think Pastor Dollar choked his daughter.

According to the 911 call from his OLDER daughter (not the one who was choked), he did choke her. Marks on her neck supported the story.

In the church community, this kind of behavior is often tolerated; it shouldn't be. The ignorance should be educated and the abuse should be reported.

A lot of parents in past eras "disciplined" out of ignorance--they were never educated on a better way. I seriously doubt that your brother being thrown down a flight of stairs did anything wonderful for him. Your parents probably had a lot of good qualities that cancelled out those traumatic events--and those GOOD qualities were responsible for your brother becoming a better man.

[houston]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I can't imagine my husband EVER choking or slapping one of our children--no matter what they were trying to do.

I never cease to be appalled at what Christian people will defend in the name of "discipline."

I wonder if the father of the prodigal son slapped and choked his son in an effort to stop his foolish plans?

He gave his son money. What an enabler.

[Cindy]

There is nothing harder to deal with than a rebellious teenager. But, you CANNOT beat it out of them.

[Cindy]

Good grief!!

[Cindy]

Choking or throwing a person down the stairs is done by someone without control. I too am not sure if he was choking his daughter. But if they were on the floor wrestling around, they were BOTH out of control.

[Nitehawk013]

Since all it takes apparently to be a good parent is to just talk to little junior or sissy, and to take away priviledges and give additional chores as a means of punishment, and one should just never have to "resort" to physical punishment, perhaps one of you parental geniuses can explain how to deal with a child, or a teenager, who simply refuses to do as they are told no matter what you take away from them or what chores you give them.

And I reject the idea that using physical discipline creates an atmosphere where there is no depth of the relationship. My son is basically attached to my hip. He always wants to be with daddy. We talk and play and spend plenty of time together. And guess what...when he crosses certain lines he gets his behind lit up or his mouth smacked. And once the situation calms a bit I explain why he got it and what is expected of him. I suppose when he gets older he will just be unable to talk to dad and won't have any depth in our relationship.

The new childrearing psycho-babble is a load of garbage.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Since all it takes apparently to be a good parent is to just talk to little junior or sissy, and to take away priviledges and give additional chores as a means of punishment, and one should just never have to "resort" to physical punishment, perhaps one of you parental geniuses can explain how to deal with a child, or a teenager, who simply refuses to do as they are told no matter what you take away from them or what chores you give them.

And I reject the idea that using physical discipline creates an atmosphere where there is no depth of the relationship. My son is basically attached to my hip. He always wants to be with daddy. We talk and play and spend plenty of time together. And guess what...when he crosses certain lines he gets his behind lit up or his mouth smacked. And once the situation calms a bit I explain why he got it and what is expected of him. I suppose when he gets older he will just be unable to talk to dad and won't have any depth in our relationship.

The new childrearing psycho-babble is a load of garbage.

I don't get my child rearing ideas from "psycho-babble." I can't even remember the last book I read on child-rearing, besides "The Blessing." (A FANTASTIC Christian book, btw.)

Christian parents are supposed to reflect Christlikeness EVEN in how they parent their children. The fruit of the Spirit is, "love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness & temperance." I do NOT see how a Spirit filled Christian could choke or slap a child and still claim to be exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit.

Further, there are these scriptures to consider:

"Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger by the way you treat them. Rather, bring them up with the discipline and instruction that comes from the Lord." Ephesians 6:4, NLV

"Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money." I Timothy 3:1-3

If you can smack your son in the face and feel good about it, well, bully for you. I can't do that and then go to God with a clear conscience. I would feel like a heel and need to repent to my child and God. It's a lack of self-control and anger that leads to that kind of "discipline", IMO. I believe there can be times that call for corporal punishment, but only as a last resort, and those events should be few and far between. In keeping with NT principles, that "punishment" had better be executed with kindness, long-suffering and gentleness or the parent is out of line with scripture.

Some of the WORST kids I know--and those who have grown up and forsaken God and everything their parents ever taught them--are those who were raised with a lot of belt-whippings, slapping, yelling and heavy handed punishment. I have observed that treating children in this way inspires rebellion; not respect or obedience.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Since all it takes apparently to be a good parent is to just talk to little junior or sissy, and to take away priviledges and give additional chores as a means of punishment, and one should just never have to "resort" to physical punishment, perhaps one of you parental geniuses can explain how to deal with a child, or a teenager, who simply refuses to do as they are told no matter what you take away from them or what chores you give them.

And I reject the idea that using physical discipline creates an atmosphere where there is no depth of the relationship. My son is basically attached to my hip. He always wants to be with daddy. We talk and play and spend plenty of time together. And guess what...when he crosses certain lines he gets his behind lit up or his mouth smacked. And once the situation calms a bit I explain why he got it and what is expected of him. I suppose when he gets older he will just be unable to talk to dad and won't have any depth in our relationship.

The new childrearing psycho-babble is a load of garbage.

So you explain AFTER physical punishment? Do you think your overreact?