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12-20-2012, 05:35 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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I could too. But some women might not want to be "fixed". Why are we treating them like pets to "fix" and control with regards to their person? Sure, I don't agree with abortion. But I am also leery of allowing the GOVERNMENT to FORCE a woman to give birth against her will. For better or for worse... it's her body.
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If you choose to have sex, you are responsible for dealing with the consequences of that choice.
I AM pro-choice. You have a right to choose whether or not to lay down and get pregnant. You don't have a right to choose whether or not the life you created with your own choice lives or dies... sorry. 
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12-20-2012, 05:39 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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I agree in principle.
However, it's not the GOVERNMENT'S business if a woman allows herself to get pregnant or not. It's also not the GOVERNMENT'S business as to if a woman is even pregnant. It's not the GOVERNMENT'S business if anyone is having sex or not. It's not the GOVERNMENT'S place.
Why do we think the GOVERNMENT can force a woman to give birth if she doesn't want to? As terrible as abortion is... that's some pretty serious power given to GOVERNMENT.
Now... I'm all for ministries that work on giving women prolife options and education. I think that is important. I also think churches and charities should arise to the occasion and address the issues that women face in crisis pregnancies to discourage abortion. But the moment the GOVERNMENT calls the shots on something so deeply personal as one's sovereignty over their own body... I get a bit cautious.
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Criminalizing abortion doesn't give the government any power. The woman has complete control with what she does with her body. She has the RIGHT to not get pregnant until she's ready and not have sex until she's ready to handle the responsibility that comes with it. We live in a ridiculous society where we no longer teach that people's actions have consequences. Skip school? Cool there's job corp and welfare. Have sex? Cool abortion readily available. Don't want to speak proper English? Cool who needs a job when you have food stamps? Jumped the border? Cool we'll give you amnesty. Then we wonder where all our social ills in this nation come from. Laziness and excuses.
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12-20-2012, 05:44 PM
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The root cause of every abortion is self preservation.
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12-20-2012, 05:46 PM
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Classic ADDHD moment.
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Did Aquila ever get around to asking his question?
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12-20-2012, 10:32 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
Can't read these pages right now... But I sure hope someone has made the point this is not a question based on logic at all... It's apples and oranges - an IL-logical comparison!
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12-21-2012, 07:13 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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If you choose to have sex, you are responsible for dealing with the consequences of that choice.
I AM pro-choice. You have a right to choose whether or not to lay down and get pregnant. You don't have a right to choose whether or not the life you created with your own choice lives or dies... sorry. |
So, essentially, if a girl caved into her sexual desires with a young man was became pregnant... then decided that she didn't want to give birth... you'd have the GOVERNMENT essentially force her to give birth.
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12-21-2012, 07:20 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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The root cause of every abortion is self preservation.
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Sometimes, yes... and that's sad.
Sometimes it's more complicated than that. Sometimes the choice to abort is a very painful and dark night of the soul. I know a couple, a deeply devout Christian couple, who were pregnant. There was a problem and as it turned out the child was not developing properly. Essentially the front part of the brain wasn't developing and there was fluid building in the head of the child. The doctor advised them that they had options. They could give birth to the child. It would live anywhere between 3 days to 3 months. If a "miracle happened" and the child did live beyond that... it would be SEVERELY MRDD. However, due to some other circumstances she'd most likely be rendered barren if she carried to term. Her other option was to abort the pregnancy. They went home and wept. They prayed about it and decided to terminate the pregnancy.
Now, we might not agree with their decision. However, I'm believe that this was their choice to make and not mine... not yours... and not some GOVERNMENT bureaucrat's.
I was in the Army for 8 years. Also, when my mother had her massive heart attack they wanted to know if I wanted them to continue life saving measures. I had to decide to let her go. People make difficult and painful life and death decisions every day. And the GOVERNMENT getting involved isn't going to make things better.
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12-21-2012, 07:31 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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So, essentially, if a girl caved into her sexual desires with a young man was became pregnant... then decided that she didn't want to give birth... you'd have the GOVERNMENT essentially force her to give birth.
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Yes.
I believe thats called "taking responsibility for your actions".
At least thats what they tell the man when they come to him for child support, regardless of whether he wanted the child or not.
Why the double standard?
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12-21-2012, 08:53 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Yes.
I believe thats called "taking responsibility for your actions".
At least thats what they tell the man when they come to him for child support, regardless of whether he wanted the child or not.
Why the double standard?
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Because it's "her" body, not his. Pay tention in class, Scotty.
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12-21-2012, 08:54 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
What about teen aged girls that are forced to have abortions by their parents? Is that okay, Aquila?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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