Dkb tweets & fb statuses

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So then it was an exaggeration....

An exaggerated lie perhaps?

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by houston

How many Jews are in Nebraska?

6,100 as of 2012. Source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../usjewpop.html

[Whole Hearted]

Here we go again. Blast the UPC and it's preachers. God Bless Elder Bernard.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Here we go again. Blast the UPC and it's preachers. God Bless Elder Bernard.

WH nobody was blasting the UPC or its preachers.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't see information there about it being a lie

LINK
Here's a post that transcribes a statement from former Gen Sup Haney about the issue. This statement was just a paragraph included within a newsletter.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by houston

So a lie isn't a lie unless you know you're lying. Got it!

This seems obvious to me. If a person passes on information that they believe is true, how is that lying? The act of lying has to involve deliberately deceiving someone.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Actually I think she meant a liar isn't a liar unless they know they are lying

Exactly. Thanks, Prax.

Originally Posted by houston

A false teacher isn't a false teacher unless he knows he is deceiving people?

IMO, there's a difference between a "false prophet" and someone who is unknowingly passing on false information. At least, in God's eyes, anyway. A false prophet or teacher would be someone who deliberately misleads people. That doesn't mean if you unknowingly teach something false that the information itself isn't still false--obviously it is.

The labels "false prophet" and "liar" are indicative of more than innocently passing on inaccurate or false information. There has to be some malice or intent there.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

LINK
Here's a post that transcribes a statement from former Gen Sup Haney about the issue. This statement was just a paragraph included within a newsletter.

Thank you

[Charnock]

Interesting thread.

UPC leaders have made these sort of unsubstantiated claims for longer than I have been alive. Somebody's always looking their way. They are always in the middle of "THE GREATEST END-TIME OUTPOURING EVER!" The movement is always growing by leaps and bounds.

Except none of that is true.

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Jack Shephard

So, I have liked David K. Bernard on FB to see what all he has to say. I have seen several "stats" regarding growth in the UPC and different figures regarding oneness people versus trinitarians, "stats" about people that speak in tongues versus those that don't. I haven't done the sutdies on the topics he has been posting about but the number seem very off.

"Scholarly study: 'Evangelical churches are filling up with people who have never had a genuine experience of transformational conversion"


"Trinitarian Pentecostal pastors: most agree there has been a loss of spiritual gifts (70%) & gloss of Pentecostal identity (60%)" -- I presume he meant "loss" and not "gloss" but that was a direct quote.

Do any of you all follow his FB or Tweets? He seems to be giving wild info. Am I alone in feeling that way?

Originally Posted by Farfel

I follow him on twitter and have also found his information to be untrue.

I obviously am NOT DKB.....(I'm much better looking.....lol) however my guess is that he is quoting the AG stats. According to the AG (derived from Christianity Today here: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...ober/5.15.html which tells us that only half (50%) of the AG regular attendees claim to have received the Holy Spirit baptism; and another poll listed in Christianity Today here: anitytoday.com/ct/2006/octoberweb-only/140-53.0.html

Also the ever trusted Wickipedia...lol here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...tes_of_America says that only 50% of their members claim the Holy ghost baptism, and it gives a direct quote from the AG stating: "Yet, the distinctive doctrine that once united us has, in some circles, become a point of contention. We lament the increasing rarity of the gifts of the Spirit in our worship setting. We wonder where, in our busy church schedules, will people have an opportunity to tarry at the altars for a transforming Pentecostal experience?"

So, while it would be nice to see his sources, I certainly do not believe that his numbers are too far off......if anything according to these articles I have "sourced" his numbers are exaggerated to the good side not the bad.