Serena Williams was Right?

[houston]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Tennis player Serena Williams has received a lot of flack and has apologized for statements she made to Rollingstone Mag about a high profile rape case..

My question is, was she right in her first statements?

First off she did say she was not blaming the girl BUT...she added

"I'm not blaming the girl, but if you're a 16-year-old and you're drunk like that, your parents should teach you: Don't take drinks from other people."

and ".. she shouldn't have put herself in that position."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/0...#ixzz2Wz3Kpn5C


Is this blaming the rape victim? Or is this good advice to all girls?

Usually the first thing people say when they are blaming someone is "I am not blaming..."

"she shouldn't have put herself in that position" also casts blame on the victim.

Prax is NOT smarter than a 5th grader.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I never said it would 'solve the problem'. If teaching men (ie TRAINING them from the time they are children) to treat women properly and biblically is useless, then the church has no purpose in this world whatsoever, as teaching men is useless and doesn't 'solve the problem' (whatever problem might be contemplated).



Self defense works to keep a person from becoming incapacitated. Incapacitation is what allows rape to occur - a woman is overpowered, either by physical force or by pharmaceutical force, or by psychological force. Until a woman is overpowered, she cannot be raped. Proper and effective self defense training gives one the skills to prevent being overpowered - either physically, psychologically, or pharmaceutically. There is always the off chance you will be sucker punched and blind sided.

And there are no guarantees in life when it comes to dealing with violence. Proper training enables one to see that and adjust accordingly.

Good. I believe those are good ideas and should be coupled with the suggestions I posted

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by houston

Usually the first thing people say when they are blaming someone is "I am not blaming..."

"she shouldn't have put herself in that position" also casts blame on the victim.

Prax is NOT smarter than a 5th grader.

sure but Im not the one saying that. She did. The topic here was not "was she an idiot for saying that to a victim" but are here suggestions good ideas for all women.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by houston

Usually the first thing people say when they are blaming someone is "I am not blaming..."

"she shouldn't have put herself in that position" also casts blame on the victim.

Prax is NOT smarter than a 5th grader.

If you have children, I'm sure you have used those very words to show them they were somehow responsible for something bad happening to them, even though what happened to them was the other person's fault.

"If you hadn't left your bike in the front yard last night, someone wouldn't have stolen it."

"I told you that if you let the dog out, he was going to get run over."


Personally, I feel that if someone is going to put themselves in a position of being unable to care for themselves in a potentially dangerous situation or if they put themselves in a dangerous situation, they are somewhat responsible for what happens to them. It may not be a legal one, but it's an ethical or moral one.

For instance, if you are drunk and driving and someone blows a red light and you hit them, YOU will be the one responsible because, even though the other guy was wrong, you MIGHT have been able to prevent a tragedy had you not been drunk.

IMO, if someone is drunk and taken advantage of, regardless whether male or female, they are somewhat responsible since they might have been able to prevent it had they not been intoxicated. Maybe you have never been drunk before but I have, and I'm sure someone could have laid me on the railroad tracks and I wouldn't have cared, even if I saw a train coming.

I know there are all types of rape situations, but when a woman is drunk she is somehow not responsible for what happens to her but when a man is drunk, he doesn't get to use that excuse. Can't have it both ways.

[Nitehawk013]

The fact that peple think telling girls "hey...maybe don't get drunk or high to the point that you pass out around a bunch of college or high school guys. You know, protect yourself and be careful" amounts to blaming rape victims shows just how idiotic our society has become.

I don't have a daughter thank God, but if I did I think I would make it clear to her that if she dressed like a tramp, didn't have good protective friends, got drunk or high at parties and passed out, or otherwise put herself in terribly dangerous situations then if she were to be assaulted or raped she does bear some of the responsibility. When you put yourself in horribly vulnerable situations and something bad happens...it is at least partly your fault for putting yourself in that situation.

But people cannot handle anyone expecting personal responsibility so they don't like hearing that. Everything always has to be someone elses fault. It's never my fault when bad things happen. It's always another person at fault.

I also balk at the idea that apparently women cannot go out their front door without some guy waiting in the bushes to rape her. Evenunto keeps talking about rape like it is as common as drinking water. Even listing some "statistic" that 1 in 6 women say they were raped at some point? Sorry...I have a hard time believing that. How many of those are "retroactive rapes" where the woman makes a dumb decision and sleeps with some idiot only to wake up feeling regret and guilt the next morning and crying rape because she doesn't want to accept she did something really stupid the night before?

There are real rape victims that deserve justice and respect, and then there are the rest who just want to cover up there irresponsible behavior by making some guy the villain.

[Godzchild]

Originally Posted by Sasha

If you have children, I'm sure you have used those very words to show them they were somehow responsible for something bad happening to them, even though what happened to them was the other person's fault.

"If you hadn't left your bike in the front yard last night, someone wouldn't have stolen it."

"I told you that if you let the dog out, he was going to get run over."


Personally, I feel that if someone is going to put themselves in a position of being unable to care for themselves in a potentially dangerous situation or if they put themselves in a dangerous situation, they are somewhat responsible for what happens to them. It may not be a legal one, but it's an ethical or moral one.

For instance, if you are drunk and driving and someone blows a red light and you hit them, YOU will be the one responsible because, even though the other guy was wrong, you MIGHT have been able to prevent a tragedy had you not been drunk.

IMO, if someone is drunk and taken advantage of, regardless whether male or female, they are somewhat responsible since they might have been able to prevent it had they not been intoxicated. Maybe you have never been drunk before but I have, and I'm sure someone could have laid me on the railroad tracks and I wouldn't have cared, even if I saw a train coming.

I know there are all types of rape situations, but when a woman is drunk she is somehow not responsible for what happens to her but when a man is drunk, he doesn't get to use that excuse. Can't have it both ways.

[Evenuntodeath]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I disagree in part. I believe there is something called 'inviting trouble'. We teach our children to stay away from trouble. Why? Because something bad might happen to us that, if we'd done the right thing, it might not have happened.

A girl getting drunk and then getting raped MAY be partially responsible because she was partaking in a situation in which she was unable to control herself. It's no different than someone drinking then driving and killing someone. We don't ever say that because they were drinking and not in control of themselves that they aren't as responsible, do we?

No, I don't believe she is completely responsible or even mostly responsible, but as some point, we all have to take responsibility for our own actions, and if someone is partaking in an activity that leaves them less than completely 'with it', I believe there is a responsibility ascribed to that person for anything that may happen to them.

If we have money, we don't carry it in our hands for people to see, right? That's inviting trouble. No, it doesn't mean you 'deserve' to be mugged or robbed, but perhaps if you had carried the money in your purse or pocket instead, nobody would have mugged or robbed you.

I wish we all lived in the utopian society where everyone everywhere does the right thing at all times, but this is the world we live in, and to protect ourselves, we have to take certain responsibilities.

Years ago, my son had his bike stolen. I blamed him. I did that because for several weeks I told him that if he didn't lock it up, someone was going to steal it. Well, that day finally came and it was gone. Yes, I believe the person who stole it was wrong because it didn't belong to them, but if my son had put his bike up in our locked garage, I'm certain it wouldn't have been stolen.

Anyway, I'm sure I made my point. lol Clear as mud?

Please Sasha, promise me you won't write any newsarticles any time soon. Your metaphors are HORRIBLE.

Your comments show me that you have a POOR grasp on exactly what rape is.

First, you say a woman being raped is just like someone getting drunk and hitting someone. And then you have the AUDACITY to sit here and compare the vile act of rape to your son's bike being stolen??? This can't be real.

Originally Posted by Sasha

If you have children, I'm sure you have used those very words to show them they were somehow responsible for something bad happening to them, even though what happened to them was the other person's fault.

"If you hadn't left your bike in the front yard last night, someone wouldn't have stolen it."

"I told you that if you let the dog out, he was going to get run over."


Personally, I feel that if someone is going to put themselves in a position of being unable to care for themselves in a potentially dangerous situation or if they put themselves in a dangerous situation, they are somewhat responsible for what happens to them. It may not be a legal one, but it's an ethical or moral one.

For instance, if you are drunk and driving and someone blows a red light and you hit them, YOU will be the one responsible because, even though the other guy was wrong, you MIGHT have been able to prevent a tragedy had you not been drunk.

IMO, if someone is drunk and taken advantage of, regardless whether male or female, they are somewhat responsible since they might have been able to prevent it had they not been intoxicated. Maybe you have never been drunk before but I have, and I'm sure someone could have laid me on the railroad tracks and I wouldn't have cared, even if I saw a train coming.

I know there are all types of rape situations, but when a woman is drunk she is somehow not responsible for what happens to her but when a man is drunk, he doesn't get to use that excuse. Can't have it both ways.

LOOOL, and then you open your scatterbrained mouth AGAIN, to spew more NONSENSE on how a woman being raped is similiar to someone driving drunk and running a red light.

You are a DISGRACE to all womankind.

Have several seats.

[RandyWayne]

Number 1: Make yourself less of a target. In this, Serena Williams was right on.

Number 2: Make yourself less of a victim! See below.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Number 1: Make yourself less of a target. In this, Serena Williams was right on.

Number 2: Make yourself less of a victim! See below.

My only issue with the three ads is that they all show the Glock being stored "securely" until needed. Well, mine is actually ON ME, fully locked and loaded, as I type this.

love it!

[houston]

Great advice to give before someone is raped. After the rape it's just saying "It's your fault."