Pastor Jentezen Franklin now Senior Pastor in California

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Oh Berk, thanks for the correction. What would I have ever done without you? It sounded good so I used that analogy........okay?

You didn't use an analogy. You took the scripture out of context.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

You didn't use an analogy. You took the scripture out of context.

Actually I didn't. The point was: to the one who is hearing the sermon, and he becomes saved, it doesn't matter how ones style is as long as he gets saved. Do not read into what I'm saying Berk!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Here's my opinion, since everyone else has thiers.
It's the foolishness of preaching thats saves. If a man gets excited and hyped, (as someone else here so elequently put it) then so be it. If someone gets saved by the foolish babblings of a preacher, then what difference does it make how he presents it? I personally don't care how someone presents thier sermon as long as someone gets saved. BTW, I enjoy preachers like Anthony Mangun and Jeff Arnold, my favorite Apostolic preacher is Norman Wagner.

This old song that the ends justfies the means has been used throughout history to justify a lot of things. Bad preaching included.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by CC1

This old song that the ends justfies the means has been used throughout history to justify a lot of things. Bad preaching included.

Thank you ever so kindly for your response. Which of the preachers did i mention that you think is bad? I didn't say anything about bad preaching. Btw, if one is called, what gives anyone the right to say he/she is preaching badly?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Thank you ever so kindly for your response. Which of the preachers did i mention that you think is bad? I didn't say anything about bad preaching. Btw, if one is called, what gives anyone the right to say he/she is preaching badly?

I hope you really don't believe your last statement / question there. Surely you do not believe that just because someone is "called" the quality of their preaching can never be called into question?

My dear Brother Kodak, preachers who are called are also human beings. Human beings have weak areas in their lives as well as strengths. They vary from person to person.

One preacher may have bad study habits and if he does not discipline himself will not spend enough time in the word in a strucured way to bring the word in the best way he can.

Another may have poor speaking skills and never do anything to get better. That is also wrong. We should be offering God our best and work on the areas where we are deficit in our lives.

Thank the Lord for Elders who do not share your view and are candid with young men of God when they need advise and constructive criticism on their preaching. The way you talk just by virtue of being "called" everything out of a preachers mouth is just perfect. (I don't really think you beleive that but I think you post these wild statements without thinking them through).

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by CC1

I hope you really don't believe your last statement / question there. Surely you do not believe that just because someone is "called" the quality of their preaching can never be called into question?

My dear Brother Kodak, preachers who are called are also human beings. Human beings have weak areas in their lives as well as strengths. They vary from person to person.

One preacher may have bad study habits and if he does not discipline himself will not spend enough time in the word in a strucured way to bring the word in the best way he can.

Another may have poor speaking skills and never do anything to get better. That is also wrong. We should be offering God our best and work on the areas where we are deficit in our lives.

Thank the Lord for Elders who do not share your view and are candid with young men of God when they need advise and constructive criticism on their preaching. The way you talk just by virtue of being "called" everything out of a preachers mouth is just perfect. (I don't really think you beleive that but I think you post these wild statements without thinking them through).

CC1, even when young preachers (who are called) preach badly, doesn't necessarily mean they are perfect. I never said that! Get real! Once again you and Berk are twisting what I'm saying for the purpose of arguing. If you are a preacher, I'm sure that even you have preached poorly in the beginning of your ministry, but who's to say that someones life wasn't touched or changed by what you've said? How do you know whether or not someone was saved today, by a sermon you preached years ago that wasn't so good?

[ThePastorsCoach]

I know that Marcus asked him and he said he was not able to talk about it right now - some in the church in CA are fighting him coming there. I really don't know HOW he can do it. That commute will get OLD FAST!!!!!!!
Sunday morning - 9 & 11 AM - Free Chapel Gainesville, GA - 6 PM - Free Chapel - Orange County, California! Man - that is just TOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!! He wants to do Sunday night and Tuesday nights in OC and then fly back and preach Wednesdays in Gainesville. He rarely preaches Wednesdays in Gainesville NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chaotic_resolve]

I like JF. Been watching his messages on StreamingFaith.com the past couple days. I've been very impressed by what I've seen and heard from him. I'm glad to hear of the influence from apostolics and the kind things he's said about the Manguns and Tenneys from the UPC.

I'm sure he's taken counsel from other men concerning the California church, and I have no doubt he's prayed about it for a while.

I don't feel comfortable about it myself.

The reason being his family. I grew up in a pastors home, and it was no where near the size or popularity of JF's . . . even so, it was hard to have family time.

I bet it's hard enough for his wife and five children to share him with Free Chapel, TBN shows and conferences he travels around to preach at. But now to add another church . . . one that's hundreds of miles across the country.

The priority isn't right here.

It's, God. Family. Ministry.

Not, God. Ministry. Family.

I worry about the consequences of this decision, though I'm praying it works out and he and his family is blessed.

[ThePastorsCoach]

I know a couple of his teen girls are traveling with him right now so he can keep a tight leash on them - I feel for him - Three Teens plus the younger two right now - God help him!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I know a couple of his teen girls are traveling with him right now so he can keep a tight leash on them - I feel for him - Three Teens plus the younger two right now - God help him!

That is tough! Hey any word on the prayer of salvation thing he does? Is there any headway you know of that will move from just a simple prayer of salvation thing?