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12-06-2013, 01:46 PM
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Re: Question for Apostolics
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Originally Posted by KWSS1976
I guess what Sasha is trying to get at is according to the Apostolics you can't have the Holyspirit/ghost without speaking in tongues, so they are just wanting a explination from them on how come the bible stated John was filled in the womb..
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As said already, Apostolics argue that tongues was the Evidence since Pentecost
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-06-2013, 02:15 PM
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Re: Question for Apostolics
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
As said already, Apostolics argue that tongues was the Evidence since Pentecost
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Correct.....there are many OT types/shadows that are revealed in the NT. How they were revealed or practiced in the OT is quite different from the NT
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12-06-2013, 03:43 PM
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Re: Question for Apostolics
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Originally Posted by Sasha
John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost from the womb. If tongues was evidence, how did John receive it?
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As you know, Holy Ghost is a NT phrase to describe God's Spirit.
The writers of the Gospels wrote LOOKING BACK on events and in some cases used NT terminology that had come into their vocabulary to describe the events, hence "filled with the Holy Ghost".
Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Luk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
2Pe_1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
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12-06-2013, 04:05 PM
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Re: Question for Apostolics
Ive thought for a while the Holy Ghost is a reference to the OT concept of the Shekinah Glory
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-06-2013, 04:43 PM
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Re: Question for Apostolics
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
As said already, Apostolics argue that tongues was the Evidence since Pentecost
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Well I sometimes pray in tongues and I have heard other apostolics do the same, but sometimes I see good church members that do not speak in tongues, so I would hesitate to state that a person must absolutely speak in tongues.
Could it be that speaking in tongues is a sign, but not the only sign?
Could it be that a person might have the spirit, but displays some other sign?
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12-06-2013, 04:52 PM
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Re: Question for Apostolics
I didn't say anyone needed to speak in tongues absolutely or otherwise
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-06-2013, 04:57 PM
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Re: Question for Apostolics
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Originally Posted by Abiding Now
As you know, Holy Ghost is a NT phrase to describe God's Spirit.
The writers of the Gospels wrote LOOKING BACK on events and in some cases used NT terminology that had come into their vocabulary to describe the events, hence "filled with the Holy Ghost".
Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Luk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
2Pe_1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. |
So what did they mean by 'the Holy Ghost' if it really wasn't the Holy Ghost they were referring to? I mean, are you saying that it wasn't the real Holy Ghost as we know it today that John and Elisabeth received?
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12-06-2013, 05:08 PM
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Re: Question for Apostolics
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So what did they mean by 'the Holy Ghost' if it really wasn't the Holy Ghost they were referring to? I mean, are you saying that it wasn't the real Holy Ghost as we know it today that John and Elisabeth received?
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They received the Trinitarian Holy Ghost 
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12-06-2013, 05:11 PM
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Re: Question for Apostolics
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
Well I sometimes pray in tongues and I have heard other apostolics do the same, but sometimes I see good church members that do not speak in tongues, so I would hesitate to state that a person must absolutely speak in tongues.
Could it be that speaking in tongues is a sign, but not the only sign?
Could it be that a person might have the spirit, but displays some other sign?
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12-06-2013, 05:40 PM
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Re: Question for Apostolics
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They received the Trinitarian Holy Ghost |
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