You Can Fake It All

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ILG

LOL! No, no no!! My comment was directed at people who are constantly defensive about every little thing.

I think you guys are confused...

If I was defensive I would have been shouting the first time the UPC ever was mentioned


That's not the problem *sigh*

Let me repeat, the problem is it happens over and over and over and over and over and if you are someone that enjoys talking about everything you hated about the UPC, then you'd LOVE seeing those kinds of posts.

For the rest of us, it's old like a the mother in law that won't stop criticizing your cooking, your clothes, the way you decorate the house etc etc...day after day after day. It gets OLD

It's ok for most of you guys because you aren't in the UPC. But even non-UPCers agree it's be done and then some..it's tiresome. It's a broken record, especially for the regulars.

Others that visit infrequently might not notice

It's OLD, and it's not just this thread. It's others and even on threads that have nothing to do with the UPC or the topic did not mention the UPC, someone is always making a negative comment about the UPC...it's old...Really. That horse ain't just dead, it's pieces are lying all over the place.

That's my opinion and I am not ashamed to say it. It's beyond "getting old".

[n david]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Forum Link

Why don't you, ILG and whoever else hates the UPC go to that forum and you all can whine and complain together about how rotten and horrible the UPC is.

[jediwill83]

Ive heard stewing and harping from one organization about another and the same vice versa.Ive listened to ranting and harping about other denominations from Pentecostals and also about Pentecostals from other denominations.Ill be the first to admit that I can rant and harp on my pet peeves.One reason I do this is because when you are raised in something and you are molded and shaped by those beliefs and then later encounter reality and realize that some of those beliefs...not all but some are wrong you kinda fight a war with your convictions and what you were raised as daily.... ranting is a way of expressing that internal battle and conflict...its a way of keeping oneself alert to your beliefs instead of just passively accepting whats fed to you.Whats been mentioned on this thread is not a problem with just one certain organization or denomination...trust me it exists allllll over.That broad brush is held by many.You do realize that that broad brush mentality is perpetuated over the pulpit dont you? How many "Us VS Them" semons have you heard where this and that denomination is blasted for whatever reason or even closer to home maybe another oneness church that has *looser* standards? You NEVER hear a sermon where the preacher takes into account individual behavior its always lumped into the same group as if all in that church or organization believe and behave the exact same way.Its easy to blast large entities because its personal but break that down and we are all individual believers that have a wide range of beliefs and views.Sorry if this seems disjointed Im not trying to join one side or the other in this argument...just wanted to try to express a larger issue that Im still trying to figure out myself.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ILG

It is easy to fake "salvation" as the UPC defines it.

Repentance is easy to fake. Just go to the altar and look sorrowful.

Baptism. Just do it.

Tongues? I have heard lots of fake tongues in my life. Just sound like everybody else.

What many consider proof of God in your life, standards, are easy to fake, just follow the list.

Who has motive to fake salvation? All those who are being or have been pressured by wives, mothers, husbands, fathers, kids and friends to "get saved".

In a culture that greatly pressures people to get "saved" or go to hell and constantly measures who is "in" and who is "out", there is great pressure on people to "get saved" to get people off their back. They might not even know they are faking because they don't even know what the real experience is. Since this formula is so traditional and passed down from generation to generation to "be saved" there are likely a great many in the UPC and other apostolic churches that don't have a clue what true salvation is, they are just following the formula. The same thing is true in all churches but many other churches don't constantly measure who is "in" and who is "out".

The UPC taught me they were different. But they are not. Some in the UPC have faith and some do not. There is no formula for salvation to prove to another you are saved, no way to say "You are in and you are out".

It's easy to fake salvation as ANYONE defines it, why pick on the UPCI *again*???

[Reader]

Is this a UPC forum? Or one that encompasses much more?

Yes, there may be those who appear to be picking on a group, but could you overlook that and address the remainder of my post? Even when some may appear hung up on their former group, it doesn't mean they cannot have any valid thoughts.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Reader

Is this a UPC forum? Or one that encompasses much more?

Yes, there may be those who appear to be picking on a group, but could you overlook that and address the remainder of my post? Even when some may appear hung up on their former group, it doesn't mean they cannot have any valid thoughts.

no I won't. Im not interested in these sort of posts that focus on the UPC. Keep it neutral and we can all find common ground

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

no I won't. Im not interested in these sort of posts that focus on the UPC. Keep it neutral and we can all find common ground

You don't have to participate.

[jediwill83]

Yeah the defensiveness and insecurity is a little off putting.

[n david]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Yeah the defensiveness and insecurity is a little off putting.

And the constant bashing of the UPC is off putting.

Speaking of which, I thought the rules of AFF were that this wasn't allowed...the bashing of organizations.

[Reader]

Originally Posted by n david

Speaking of which, I thought the rules of AFF were that this wasn't allowed...the bashing of organizations.

Well, one of the admins posted on the discussion and did not chastise her for such. I do not see it as UPC bashing. Maybe some do because of other posts as well? I don't know as I don't read everything.

If one wishes to speak of continual things, this forum appears to freely allow atheists and agnostics to call into question the Bible, faith and more. It appears to be on pretty much a daily basis.