Stan Mitchell's Church Gay Inclusive?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Dante

That's neither for you or your interpretation to decide, though.

If a man is practicing sodomy but claims to be a Christian I am required to have no fellowship with such a one.

No interpretation required. Just obedience to the scriptures.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Dante

More churches should be inclusive. A person's sexuality should not disqualify them from participating in the kingdom of God and having a relationship with God.

Actually it does, no effeminate nor fornicator shall inherit the kingdom of God. That is scripture and that settles it.

[Dante]

None of you are qualified to impose your understanding of the scriptures on to others.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Dante

None of you are qualified to impose your understanding of the scriptures on to others.

So you are qualified to impose your understanding of the scriptures on us?
kind of self-serving, isn't it?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Dante

None of you are qualified to impose your understanding of the scriptures on to others.

Are you qualified to teach? What does this passage mean?


1Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Dante

None of you are qualified to impose your understanding of the scriptures on to others.

Now that is a funny and sad, at the same time.

Sounds like conviction is at work...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Are you qualified to teach? What does this passage mean?

1Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

There appears to be a battle over definition. The term "fornicator" is one that most of us believe we have properly defined. It basically means "one who is sexually immoral". So, we have to closely examine what is "sexual immorality"? Biblically speaking, the following behaviors and practices were permitted according to the OT Law of God:

• Monogamy – Marriage consisting of one man and one woman.
• Polygamy – Marriage consisting of one man and more than one woman.
• Concubines – Mistresses recognized within the marriage covenant.
• War Brides – Arranged marriage with female prisoners of war.
• Levirate Marriage – The marrying of a dead brother’s first wife, even if the living brother was already married.
• Servant Marriage – The arrangement of marriage between servants.
• Eunuchs – Celibates who cannot (or choose not to) copulate with the opposite or same gender.
• Erotic Literature & Poetry – Writings of an erotic nature (Song of Solomon).
• Erotic Dance – Erotic dancing (exemplified by the Shulamite and her erotic dance before her countrymen).
• Sexual Fantasy – Sexual thoughts about another one loves (exemplified by the Shulamite and her Lover).

So, we can see that in the OT, God's view of human behaviors and practices contained a rather broad perspective. Men often engaged in these permitted practices and are declared "holy" according to Scripture. So, what truly constitutes "sexual immorality" (fornication)?

The most theologians would argue that the following is clearly forbidden in the OT:

• Adultery – Sexual activity outside of the marriage covenant.
• Sodomy – Homosexual rape, male temple prostitution, sexual activity between males.
• Incest – Sexual activity with close relatives.
• Rape – Forced sexual activity with a woman.
• Bestiality – Sexual activity with animals.
• Pedophilia – Sexual activity with children.
• Harlotry – Sexual activity as a religious rite, indiscriminate sexual activity, or sexual activity for money.
• Lust – The desire to actually commit adultery.

One will notice that each prohibited action is void of covenant, is inherently harmful, selfish, exploitive, degrading, self-abusive, coercive, and/or dehumanizing. God is no prude and isn't squeamish concerning our various human needs and desires. However, He has drawn lines that prevent our sexuality from causing harm (physical, emotional, spiritual) to another. Sexual behavior should be covenantal, consensual, loving, tender, healthy, joyous, selfless, and considerate.

The NT raised the bar even higher.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Dante

None of you are qualified to impose your understanding of the scriptures on to others.

Are you? Just curious.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

There appears to be a battle over definition. The term "fornicator" is one that most of us believe we have properly defined. It basically means "one who is sexually immoral". So, we have to closely examine what is "sexual immorality"? Biblically speaking, the following behaviors and practices were permitted according to the OT Law of God:

• Monogamy – Marriage consisting of one man and one woman.
• Polygamy – Marriage consisting of one man and more than one woman.
• Concubines – Mistresses recognized within the marriage covenant.
• War Brides – Arranged marriage with female prisoners of war.
• Levirate Marriage – The marrying of a dead brother’s first wife, even if the living brother was already married.
• Servant Marriage – The arrangement of marriage between servants.
• Eunuchs – Celibates who cannot (or choose not to) copulate with the opposite or same gender.
• Erotic Literature & Poetry – Writings of an erotic nature (Song of Solomon).
• Erotic Dance – Erotic dancing (exemplified by the Shulamite and her erotic dance before her countrymen).
• Sexual Fantasy – Sexual thoughts about another one loves (exemplified by the Shulamite and her Lover).

So, we can see that in the OT, God's view of human behaviors and practices contained a rather broad perspective. Men often engaged in these permitted practices and are declared "holy" according to Scripture. So, what truly constitutes "sexual immorality" (fornication)?

The most theologians would argue that the following is clearly forbidden in the OT:

• Adultery – Sexual activity outside of the marriage covenant.
• Sodomy – Homosexual rape, male temple prostitution, sexual activity between males.
• Incest – Sexual activity with close relatives.
• Rape – Forced sexual activity with a woman.
• Bestiality – Sexual activity with animals.
• Pedophilia – Sexual activity with children.
• Harlotry – Sexual activity as a religious rite, indiscriminate sexual activity, or sexual activity for money.
• Lust – The desire to actually commit adultery.

One will notice that each prohibited action is void of covenant, is inherently harmful, selfish, exploitive, degrading, self-abusive, coercive, and/or dehumanizing. God is no prude and isn't squeamish concerning our various human needs and desires. However, He has drawn lines that prevent our sexuality from causing harm (physical, emotional, spiritual) to another. Sexual behavior should be covenantal, consensual, loving, tender, healthy, joyous, selfless, and considerate.

The NT raised the bar even higher.

My point was not about the definition of fornicator. It was about the fact that excommunication and shunning is commanded under certain circumstances.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

My point was not about the definition of fornicator. It was about the fact that excommunication and shunning is commanded under certain circumstances.

I know. But that takes me back to what I was saying. I agree that we should shun a brother if he be a fornicator, extortionist, etc. A "fornicator" is one who is guilty of "fornication". Therefore, shouldn't we define the term?