The born again experience

[thephnxman]

is NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Sean

(a) It edifies when one learns a profound doctrine they never knew.
(b) Some folks backslide when their religion is revealed wrong in some way, but a (c) mature saint is
always trying to learn his/her Bible and not trying to vindicate their first religion.

(a) Hearing negative doctrine NEVER edifies; however, sound doctrine nullifies
negative doctrine in the person willing to listen and learn.
(b) Backsliding cannot occur in a person with "wrong religion": he's already
heading the wrong way.
c) A saint will progress from a child; to a young man; to a father. A saint
will backslide by heeding false doctrine and/or leaving (being distracted) from
the path of holiness.

Brother Villa

[Sean]

I disagree. A baby in the faith must be left in the crib, but a saint must eventually learn to cope in the world.

The world is filled with adversity and especially spiritual adversity.

Adversity makes us stronger.

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Sean

I disagree. A baby in the faith must be left in the crib, but a saint must eventually learn to cope in the world.
The world is filled with adversity and especially spiritual adversity.
Adversity makes us stronger.

Beloved, that is your prerogative.

However, before you disagree with anyone, you should carefully consider that
everyone should be speaking the same language. "I write unto you, little children,
because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake." Little children can also
be interpreted as "babes", and not lose its context. The Apostle John, is writing
to the three stages of the Christian person; and the first stage is from the crib
through the years of weaning.

Beloved, the easiest way for one to learn "...the work of the ministry...", is by
putting himself under a teaching ministry. Going it alone is possible, but it can
take years of [trial and error]. Believe and obey the gospel that saves is still
the best method unto salvation: and listen and learn is the best way to learn
and apply the "...work of the ministry...".

Brother Villa

[Sean]

Here is kinda how I see it.

We all start under supervision of elders.

We all must eventually become elders and be supervised by God.

I had a few elders over me, but some have flown the coop and some have died.

I have, over the years, stopped being an elder seeker but a God seeker.

I guess I became an elder?

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Sean

Here is kinda how I see it.
We all start under supervision of elders.
We all must eventually become elders and be supervised by God.
I had a few elders over me, but some have flown the coop and some have died.
I have, over the years, stopped being an elder seeker but a God seeker.
I guess I became an elder?

Having the correct tools does NOT make a craftsman: continuous PROPER
USE of the correct tools eventually makes one a craftsman."

I do not believe that a person become and STAY an apprentice; but must learn
under a bonafide journeyman. Most believers have not passed puberty, and it
has served the pastors well. It would do you well to fellowship with men who
also seek, through prayer, to grow in the ways of the Lord. But as I have said,
Trial and Error always works: but it takes far too long to get anywhere.

Brother Villa

[Sean]

Trial and error is a result of not having truth teaching elders, in my experience.

They can only get us to a certain point, but begin to hold us back, worrying that we are getting too big for our britches.

I take the approach of getting someone connected to the Vine, and not me or my ministry.

I will not cause them to blossom, but the Vine will.

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Sean

Trial and error is a result of not having truth teaching elders, in my experience.
They can only get us to a certain point, but begin to hold us back, worrying that we are
getting too big for our britches. I take the approach of getting someone connected to
the Vine, and not me or my ministry.
I will not cause them to blossom, but the Vine will.

Too often, man becomes too big for his britches when he believes others
think he is too big for his britches...not because he IS actually too big for
his britches, but because he has started wearing smaller-sized pants!

So, are you fulfilling an an office in the Ministry: or what ministry
do you believe you have?

Brother Villa

[Sean]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!



Too often, man becomes too big for his britches when he believes others
think he is too big for his britches...not because he IS actually too big for
his britches, but because he has started wearing smaller-sized pants!

So, are you fulfilling an an office in the Ministry: or what ministry
do you believe you have?

Brother Villa

Teaching the Bible.

I love teaching and always have.

I even love training others to teach it.(I want to see folks be the best they can be for the Lord)

Lately I have been in the reformer side of it.

It is a bit more interesting because of putting our beliefs out to be tested.

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Sean

(a) Teaching the Bible.
(b) I love teaching and always have.
(c) I even love training others to teach it.(I want to see folks be the
best they can be for the Lord)
(d) Lately I have been in the reformer side of it.
(e) It is a bit more interesting because of putting our beliefs out to be tested

So you have no office in the Ministry:

(a) You teach the Bible: like how many books & chapters in it?;
(b) is teaching your vocation? Grammar, Mid, High School...?;
(c) you are a teachers' teacher;
(d) is the gospel the gist of your reformation...?
(e) you are using us as a testing ground for your reformation!

Which gift of the Spirit helps your teaching?

Brother Villa

[mfblume]

This guys thinks he forgot more than most pastors ever knew. Bad attitude.