Well Known Ministers Coming To Oneness - Page 6

Michael The Disciple · #51 02-09-2018, 02:00 PM

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Thankfully, I was "baptized in the name of the Lord JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins". And I have ZERO NEED to "make sure" it was done right by having some trinity formula inserted into it.

It was JESUS who spoke the words written in Matthew 28:19. He had no such thing as a Trinity formula in mind. But when you see HIS WORDS you call it such.

Evang.Benincasa · #52 02-09-2018, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

No, it is not. "I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ which is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" would be closer to what you are suggesting. But "I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost which is Jesus Christ" is a baptism into the trinity formula with an explanation tacked on about Jesus.

"I baptize you in the name of" .... what? The very next words are the thing into which the person is being baptised.

"Jesus only" means we trust that the Name of JESUS CHRIST A.L.O.N.E. is where salvation is found. No need to give a nod to the catholic baptism to help a person feel safer about making sure "all the bases are covered... just in case..."

Did you know that Roman catholic (and most Protestant) doctrine claims the words "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost" is ALL THAT IS NEEDED to make baptism "valid", that is, to make it a TRINITARIAN BAPTISM INTO THE "orthodox, catholic faith"?

Thankfully, I was "baptized in the name of the Lord JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins". And I have ZERO NEED to "make sure" it was done right by having some trinity formula inserted into it.

Yep, I am JESUS ONLY with no apologies offered.

Michael The Disciple · #53 02-09-2018, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It actually is a lack of faith. It is also compromise, but a compromise sadly some Apostolic ministers are willing to agree with. Just as long as you sneak Jesus in there somewhere you are good to go?

And you consider it to SNEAK JESUS in when you are revealing to them that the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit IS JESUS CHRIST?

To me there is no greater honor than to tell someone the meaning of baptism in the NAME of the Father Son and Holy Ghost. The fact that Jesus is THE NAME.

Wow I must be much further from "Apostolics" than I thought. I actually thought they believed JESUS WAS THE NAME OF THE FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST. And yet I find somehow they would even fight against THAT.

Evang.Benincasa · #54 02-09-2018, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It was JESUS who spoke the words written in Matthew 28:19. He had no such thing as a Trinity formula in mind. But when you see HIS WORDS you call it such.

Yet, that is what the title formula baptizers believe as the baptize. Words have power. Therefore it depends what's on our mind when we use those words.

Originalist · #55 02-09-2018, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

I agree there is validity in believing the "authority" of the NAME; however, when you follow that up with "Baptismal Formula is not going to save you. I believe In being baptized in the Name of Jesus. I do not believe in being baptized in the name of "Jesus only," IMO it contradicts belief in the authority of the NAME.

If you believe there's authority in the NAME, why try to be cute with the baptism formula and not just baptize "in the NAME?"

Invoking the name in baptism is the most incidental part of all. Certainly we would want, by invoking the name, to distinguish a Christian baptism from a pagan or
Jewish one for the sake of unbelievers who might be observing. But as I have said before, neither Matthew 28:19 or Acts 2:38 are teaching that God's forgiveness for a sinner being baptized hangs on the invocation used by the baptizer.

Evang.Benincasa · #56 02-09-2018, 02:48 PM

Confession with the mouth isn't important? Paul was told to call upon the name of the Lord washing away his sins. No offense, but this is the reason Catholics and Eastern Orthodox is against Sola Scriptura. The baptizer is important and he is to invoke the name as well as the baptized.

thephnxman · #57 02-09-2018, 02:51 PM

His NAME is Jesus!

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother Villa, just a simple case of the Mandela effect. Accept the documented proof provided by ndavid
and move on. Don't let it this grow into a cognitive dissonance.

Beloved, do you know what you're saying? Do you believe that it's the Holy
Spirit that's revealing the "Mandela Effect"? No, Beloved, you are listening to
the spirit that is a daughter to the Great Whore...a very strong delusion.

Brother Villa

Evang.Benincasa · #58 02-09-2018, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!

Beloved, do you know what you're saying? Do you believe that it's the Holy
Spirit that's revealing the "Mandela Effect"? No, Beloved, you are listening to
the spirit that is a daughter to the Great Whore...a very strong delusion.

Brother Villa

Do you know what a Mandela Effect is?

thephnxman · #59 02-09-2018, 02:57 PM

His NAME is Jesus!

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Do you know what a Mandela Effect is?

You are almost funny...believing you might be the only literate person on the forum.
You're letting my 8th grade education fool you!

Brother Villa

Evang.Benincasa · #60 02-09-2018, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!

You are almost funny...believing you might be the only literate person on the forum.
You're letting my 8th grade education fool you!

Brother Villa

I wasn't saying that you would be possessed by a spirit of delusion to continue to believe Kenneth Hagin Sr was saved. I was merely stating that you remembered the radio program incorrectly. That the incorrect memory you believe is correct, as a total recall. The cognitive dissonance, would be when facts are presented you would refuse the evidence and continue in the false memory.