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Old 04-03-2019, 08:38 PM
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Why would it be interesting? You teach what you believe on YOUTUBES!
How could anyone add to that?
Why did you watch my video with your brothers and put it on here?

Maybe I want to hear what you all believe for the same reason?

And feel free to post my videos Dom.
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Old 04-03-2019, 09:03 PM
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Why did you watch my video with your brothers and put it on here?

Maybe I want to hear what you all believe for the same reason?

And feel free to post my videos Dom.
One brother was reading the forum one night and came across the discussion we were having (really I was having) concerning your usage of the Hebrew verb YAH. Unbeknownst to me he was also following you running from my questions concerning a third temple being built. He then noticed your videos you posted on the forum which were from your account on YouTubes. He then started watching all of them with his wife. Recently he pulled out the one I posted, and we all watched it. His take away from the huge time he spent in hours watching your stuff. Is that you have some good information on basic cornbread and butter beans Apostolic doctrine. He noticed that you are Yeshuer. But your eschatology videos were (in his words) knee slappers.

Also he holds the opinion you were as closed as a clam to seeing anything outside of your box. I have another video I want to post.
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Old 04-04-2019, 08:54 AM
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One brother was reading the forum one night and came across the discussion we were having (really I was having) concerning your usage of the Hebrew verb YAH. Unbeknownst to me he was also following you running from my questions concerning a third temple being built. He then noticed your videos you posted on the forum which were from your account on YouTubes. He then started watching all of them with his wife. Recently he pulled out the one I posted, and we all watched it. His take away from the huge time he spent in hours watching your stuff. Is that you have some good information on basic cornbread and butter beans Apostolic doctrine. He noticed that you are Yeshuer. But your eschatology videos were (in his words) knee slappers.

Also he holds the opinion you were as closed as a clam to seeing anything outside of your box. I have another video I want to post.

Still hard to fathom that YAH is belittled by Bible readers. I was sitting in a UPC Church just last night were as usual as practically EVERY MEETING....YAH....is praised.

Yes without doubt last night in mid week meetings in THOUSANDS of Pentecostal Churches just in America, not to mention the whole world disciples of Jesus raised their hands and sang:

HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH!!!!!

Of course every time they do this they are worshiping YAH.

It is commonly known that both Youngs and Strongs Concordance define Hallelujah as:

PRAISE YAH!

So why not take your war against HIM to the many Apostolic/Pentecostal Churches who do this and take great joy in it?

As to your friend I am blessed that he would take the time to watch my Youtubes and that he seems to have approved some of them. As to what I teach on the end time being real "knee slappers" I recall what Peter said about men in the end times.

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2 Peter 3:3-4

3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
This prophetic word is being fulfilled as we speak.

Then again I am "closed as a clam" to any other belief?

Actually I seemed to have been more open to change than at least "many".

I have in time past believed in semi Trinitarianism, pre tribulation rapture, immortal soul, eternal burning of souls, and once saved always saved.

In other words I have had to change practically EVERYTHING I believed foundation wise.

Yet....if someone shows me an area of truth more persuasive to me than what I see presently by scripture I would have to yet humble myself again and repent, embrace it, and move on.



As to being a "Yeshuer" I suppose that means I believe Jesus was born with a Hebrew name and that I honor it.

To that I plead guilty.

YAH IS GOOD

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It would be interesting to see what you believe. Explain what it REALLY meant. How it looked when it was fulfilled?

Bottomless pit? Creatures? Angel of the pit? The five months of torment?
Translation: I'm not going to lay it out, line upon line, book chapter and verse, why the Revelation strictly concerns a future end time scenario.
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Translation: I'm not going to lay it out, line upon line, book chapter and verse, why the Revelation strictly concerns a future end time scenario.
In other words they are ashamed to attempt to try to force any kind of historical 5 month event into the 5th trumpet. All they can do is attack.
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In other words they are ashamed to attempt to try to force any kind of historical 5 month event into the 5th trumpet. All they can do is attack.
Read my post Mike.

Man up bro, and do some heavy lifting Mr YouTubes and PalTalk.
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In other words they are ashamed to attempt to try to force any kind of historical 5 month event into the 5th trumpet. All they can do is attack.
You don't get it. You have teaching? Then you should be able to answer questions. You don't want to answer questions? Then there is no dialog.

I simply pointed out you and other futurists never lay out the foundation of why Revelation should be taken as all about some future end time scenario. The basis of why you approach prophecy the way you do. And you aren't interested in explaining that.

Which is cool. But this goofy "ashamed" business is stupid. I am not ashamed of anything I believe. And I have no problem laying out what I believe, and why. And I have done so, on this forum.

I guess you never noticed this thread I started specifically for anyone who had "Problems With Historicism"? http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=51227

In other threads I have explained why I believe what I believe. You, however, can only ask questions and never give any answers? Can't just provide the "Why" to what you believe?

I won't say you are "ashamed" of what you believe. I will however say you don't really know why you believe what you believe, and THAT'S why you won't explain the foundations of your doctrine.
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Furthermore, the fact you continuously try to classify me as a preterist, and what I believe as preterism, as if "historical" is just another word for "preterist", proves to me you simply have no clue about prophecy interpretation, its history and development, or the main differences between the main views, or even what main views exist.

So, it is little wonder you don't answer questions about prophecy.
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I won't say you are "ashamed" of what you believe. I will however say you don't really know why you believe what you believe, and THAT'S why you won't explain the foundations of your doctrine.
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Translation: I'm not going to lay it out, line upon line, book chapter and verse, why the Revelation strictly concerns a future end time scenario.
Well, that is MTD. He makes his statements but is very limited on the Q&A.
If you dig through our eschatology section Elder LeDeay and Mike Wiltcher were the champions concerning Dispensationalist Pre Tribulation Rapture. But Michael the Disciple is barely a blip on the radar. You would think for how much smack he talks about Pre Tribbers (forget even Preterists, Mike has been chewing on Pre Tribbers way longer) you would think he had literal tomes in the eschatology section. But alas he is lacking. One of the brothers here in FLA pointed out that Mike makes a lot of “I don’t know” statements. So, if a guy doesn’t know, then you would think he would cut others a lot of slack. My lands he reads VoM magazine. Those guys don’t believe fat meat is greasy. So there is a lot of confliction in Mike's ideology. If he wants others to do a dog and pony show, then he needs to answer some hard questions.
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