Chris Reed

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Are you saying that Elijah did not cause the future of a rainless sky? I believe Paul changed the future of the man whose arm he commanded to whither. It just happened in the bible that way, and who are we to deny it?

Why don't we command poverty to disappear, too in our world? There are some things within our ability and some that are not. But that does not detract from the fact that these men commanded things to occur and they did.

Did Elijah cause it to rain? Or did he pray and God heard his prayer?

James 5:16-18 KJV
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. [17] Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. [18] And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

I am not sure what you are referencing about Paul and a guy's withered hand?

My point was a blanket statement that "the difference between a psychic and a prophet is the psychic predicts the future and a prophet creates the future" is... foolish, in my opinion. In reality, the difference between a psychic and a prophet is that one is demonised (or a fraud) and the other is anointed and gifted by God to speak on God's behalf.

[Amanah]

People are healed by their faith in Christ, that doesn't necessarily confirm a ministry.

Also, Balaam prophesied blessings on Israel, and his heart wasn't right with God.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Amanah

People are healed by their faith in Christ, that doesn't necessarily confirm a ministry.

Also, Balaam prophesied blessings on Israel, and his heart wasn't right with God.

But none of that denies that any given person has this ministry, too. IOW, that is not the point. The question in this thread is not what ministry is involved, but how God operates these gifts through us. Is this not of God because, as Esaias says, false prophets use the same manner? I proved that cannot be the case because false prophets did what Moses did, and their manners were the same. The outcome of the direction of worship vindicates the prophet, not the manner. Does the prophet lead people to other gods or to Christ?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

But none of that denies that any given person has this ministry, too. IOW, that is not the point. The question in this thread is not what ministry is involved, but how God operates these gifts through us. Is this not of God because, as Esaias says, false prophets use the same manner? I proved that cannot be the case because false prophets did what Moses did, and their manners were the same. The outcome of the direction of worship vindicates the prophet, not the manner. Does the prophet lead people to other gods or to Christ?

My question (not making a point, but asking a genuine question) was why do many MODERN prophets follow a method that is not seen in Scripture but which appears to have been DEVELOPED by frauds and psychics? The magicians imitated Moses, Moses did not imitate the magicians. Do you see what I am saying?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

My question (not making a point, but asking a genuine question) was why do many MODERN prophets follow a method that is not seen in Scripture but which appears to have been DEVELOPED by frauds and psychics? The magicians imitated Moses, Moses did not imitate the magicians. Do you see what I am saying?

I understand, but I just do not think it is a matter of following a developed form that psychics used. I personally don't know how psychics do their thing anyway. I recognize no manner to begin with. So, I simply stated that manner is not noted in the bible. Just the end results f who is worshiped.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

People are healed by their faith in Christ, that doesn't necessarily confirm a ministry.

Also, Balaam prophesied blessings on Israel, and his heart wasn't right with God.

I don't think the comparison is equal. Balaam was an old testament prophet, likely a prophet for hire. As such, possibly a fraud. When hired by Balak, God intervened and gave him a message, for a particular situation. Balaam did not have a continuing divine prophetic ministry, nor was he a Christian. So I don't think the comparison is really equal.

A genuine prophet of God might become a drunkard. But I seriously doubt a genuine prophet of God would be fleecing people for money, living like a drunkard and possibly a whoremonger/adulterer, and running a religious scam while likely not even being a believer at all.

If the Holy Ghost is what seals us to the day of redemption, and the Holy Ghost manifests via spiritual gifts, and yet anyone, any backslid or apostate-in-heart Tom, Dick, or Harry can be used continuously in the spiritual gifts... then what exactly is the point of the Holy Ghost, again?

[Amanah]

The desired outcome is the salvation of sinners, and the edification and perfecting of the saints. So yes, pointing people to Jesus.

[Esaias]

According to this Chris Reed is a Sabbath keeper???

https://m.prod.facebook.com/The-Revi...3130293406786/

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

According to this Chris Reed is a Sabbath keeper???

https://m.prod.facebook.com/The-Revi...3130293406786/

Yes, but he does not feel the laws related to sabbath are intact today, just hat they hold church that day and that is the limit.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Yes, but he does not feel the laws related to sabbath are intact today, just hat they hold church that day and that is the limit.

According to their statement of faith they seem to hold a somewhat stronger view than what your assessment implies?

""We believe that the laws, statutes, and judgments in the Bible are the divine revelation defining sin and righteousness (1 John 3:4; Rom. 7:7), and that violation of these laws are cause for repentance or judgment. Other standards of righteousness, such as love (John 15:12) and faith (Rom. 14:23) are general principles which the specific statutes help us to define the will of God and apply the law in a more practical way."