Trump 2nd Impeachment- 2 opposing views

[Ronnie G]

I'll elaborate even futher:

There's an old mechanism in television shows, and I'm not sure it has a name, but it works like this:

In the plot, the antagonist is some corrupt technocrat, tycoon, power-broker, etc. he usually holds a public office and has the sympathies of the vox populi.

Then, the protagonist fights an uphill battle to bring the truth to light. It temporarily cost them relationships, freedom, economic hardship . . .whatever . . . right up until they are face-to-face with the nemesis. This is usually at a climax moment where a crowd of people are outside en masse, demanding the head of the protagonist.

And the what do you know? Right as the antagonist is itemizing his own corruption out loud, he accidentally sits on an intercom button, and transmits his nefariousness to a crowd that seems to be able to perceive nuance. Instantly, the crowd comes to a unified realization" "Hey! They guy we thought was evil is good, and the guy we thought was good is evil."

The antagonist reads the writing on the wall, jumps in a getaway helicopter and bounces out.

Nothing could be farther from real life than that. People don't make snap, aggregate changes based on things like this.

This is why project Veritas has a hard time getting traction, no matter how hermetically-sealed his recordings are, or how scandalous the evidence is.

The problem is, good people trust in this unrealistic paradigm. And it took the destruction of my own church to make me realize I thought that way.

You'd think that having a pastor going to prison for child molestation would put a church of saints on the same side of the moment. But it didn't. It broke down into factions of people wanting to handle things internally, to people thinking it wasn't true, to people thinking it was true but being used as a cudgel by power seekers.

10 years ago, this happened to us. And the residual damage of the fallout continues even to this day.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Trump was a populist not a conservative.

Even if he did run I don’t believe he can win in 2024, but I believe he can be instrumental in creating a new political party that is more centrist which is probably the best way to combat extreme liberalism.

He can win if the Dems ruin the country as they turn left.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Ronnie G

Andrew McCarthy, at National review, has an interesting take:

Democrats Are Laying a Trap with Trump’s Impeachment Trial

It must always be considered. In the world of sleight of hand, there is a phrase called "make every move a move"--meaning "economize your motions to include a furtherance of the effect.

The left gets it. They rarely do things without an ulterior effect. The right just assumes that goodness will prevail in a cesspool, and allow themselves to be incorrectly framed over and over again.

The left and the right are both paid actors following a script written for them. The common folks assume it's not scripted.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The left and the right are both paid actors following a script written for them. The common folks assume it's not scripted.

See, this is one of several ways that we diverge. Where you see a conspiracy, I see greed and narcissism, wherein they just feed on each others political aspirations which leads them to follow the most radical voices in their party.

If it were truly as scripted as you say, there'd be no way they could keep it from getting out eventually. Someone, somewhere would let it slip, or would feel guilt and draw back the curtain.

Where are the individuals revealing this? Can you name even one? Or is it just people making up conspiracies based on their external viewpoints?

[Amanah]

The ruling class elite funds both parties equally. Neither party is on your side.

Glen Greenwald:
https://youtu.be/O9kUQT0FlYM

https://whorulesamerica.ucsc.edu/pow...omination.html
From the link above:
Contrary to this pluralistic view, I will try to demonstrate how rule by the wealthy few is possible despite free speech, regular elections, and organized opposition:

"The rich" coalesce into a social upper class that has developed institutions by which the children of its members are socialized into an upper-class worldview, and newly wealthy people are assimilated.
Members of this upper class control corporations, which have been the primary mechanisms for generating and holding wealth in the United States for upwards of 150 years now.
There exists a network of nonprofit organizations through which members of the upper class and hired corporate leaders not yet in the upper class shape policy debates in the United States.
Members of the upper class, with the help of their high-level employees in profit and nonprofit institutions, are able to dominate the federal government in Washington.
The rich, and corporate leaders, nonetheless claim to be relatively powerless.
Working people have less power than in many other democratic countries.

[Amanah]

Seemingly two conflicting views:

The ruling class elite run the country.

The powers that be are ordained by God.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jito463

See, this is one of several ways that we diverge. Where you see a conspiracy, I see greed and narcissism, wherein they just feed on each others political aspirations which leads them to follow the most radical voices in their party.

If it were truly as scripted as you say, there'd be no way they could keep it from getting out eventually. Someone, somewhere would let it slip, or would feel guilt and draw back the curtain.

Where are the individuals revealing this? Can you name even one? Or is it just people making up conspiracies based on their external viewpoints?

"If it were truly as scripted as you say, there'd be no way they could keep it from getting out eventually. Someone, somewhere would let it slip, or would feel guilt and draw back the curtain.

Where are the individuals revealing this? Can you name even one?"

Benjamin Disraeli, former Prime Minster of Great Britain.

Eisenhower, former President of the USA.

Cecil Rhodes, former Prime Minister of Cape Colony, owner of DeBeers diamond company, establisher of the Rhodes Scholarship for aspiring politicians, helped found the country of Rhodesia (named after him).

Carrol Quigly, former Princeton, Harvard, and Georgetown University Foreign Service professor, teacher, and mentor to politicians.

Henry Kissinger (bio unnecessary).

Aldous Huxley, philosopher, and his brother Julian Huxley who was first president of the British Humanist Association and ran UNESCO when it was first created.

H. G. Wells (oh you thought he only wrote science fiction? Scifi was a hobby, not his actual life's work)

FDR.

Senator Joe McCarthy.

Edith K. Roosevelt (Teddy Roosevelt's granddaughter).

Pat Buchanan.

Nigel Farage.

Manly P. Hall.

Sir Francis Bacon.

Would you like more suggested authors and speakers? JFK, perhaps? Mayer Amschel Rothschild? John Dewey?

Greed and avarice? But of course, that's part of the eligibility requirements for being in the Club That Runs Things. All one has to do is simply observe the policies that are put in place, the agendas that never change regardless of which party is supposedly in power. Read the statements by the politicians themselves when they tell you they don't actually run things, that very wealthy influential combinations and syndicates operating behind the scenes are the real makers of policy.

Just ask yourself, how is it that in 2008 the bankers were able to tell Congress they WILL sign off on the massive bailout (theft of American wealth) or else they would see tanks in the streets within a month or so? And Congress signed off on it?

How is it that liberals and conservatives always agree to expand the surveillance state, continue the sovietised public education system, send tribute money to Israel, and expand federal governmental control over everything? Why are modern conservatives the disciples of Bill Kristol the Trotskyite communist? Why did we bomb Germany into the stone age but saved all their top scientists and arranged for many of their High Command to escape? Why did we CONTINUOUSLY prop up the USSR and save it from collapsing during the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s? Why did we install Mao in mainland China?

Why was bin Laden a CIA asset? Why was Al Qaeda the group WE set up to manage the mujahideen in Afghanistan? Why is wahabbi Islam the seedbed of Arabic Sunni terrorism when Sir Laurence himself set it up as a tool to distract the Ottoman Turks in WW1? And why is Saudi Arabia's royal dynasty actually Jewish in origin and bankrolled by the Crown in London?

Who financed the Mensheviks and Bolsheviks? Who financed the Nazis? Why would western industrialists, capitalists, and investment bankers finance BOTH groups?

Who is Dick Cheney? What is Shell Oil Company? What happened to the British East India Company? What is the UCC? Have you ever asked yourself why exactly we have "Social Security"? Where'd that come from and why do we pay SS taxes to Great Britain? Have you actually read the Treaty of Paris that ended our War of Independence?

Why did Ronnie Raygunz grant amnesty to illegals, gut our RKBA, and have Ollie North (super conservative guy?) run cocaine for the contras, weapons for Iran, and draft plans to suspend the Constitution and institute Continuity of Government aka MARTIAL LAW?

Why was Obama the son of a British citizen and Marxist anticolonialist and his mother a CIA spook while he was mentored by literal communist terrorists like Bill Ayers yet he himself appears to be well connected to the intel community going back GENERATIONS?

Why was the antiestablishment leftist punk rock scene in the US created in DC of all places by the children of several military intelligence officers and key defense industry contractors? What is Laurel Canyon? Why was the supposedly anticommunist CIA the ones creating the LSD supply for the hippie movement in the 60s?

Why did my dad serve as security for a military incursion into Laos in 1968 to arrange a meeting between who knows who and an American in a suit and tie bringing briefcases of who knows what not too far from Kham Duc? Why exactly were we over there to begin with?

Why was heroin being shipped from Vietnam to the US by military and diplomatic aircraft? Why was a Cessna filled with cocaine that crashed in Mexico claimed by the CIA as a matter of US national security?

Why in 1990 I believe it was, why was a ship busted in the Port of Houston with several TONS of cocaine, the largest DEA bust of it's kind up to that point, and within a week the Houston market was FLOODED with extremely high grade cocaine (the BEST) going at literally PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR compared to prices just a few days before?

Who is Gary Webb? Why have several DEA agents publicly stated the crack epidemic was literally created by the US government, intentionally? What were the "Opium Wars" and the Boxer Rebellion all about?

Why did we drive out the Taliban and keep them from burning down the Afghan opium fields?

Why did Building 7 collapse? And why was it announced on BBC live television several minutes BEFORE it collapsed? Who is Bill Gates? What is Event 201? What is Operation Warp Speed? Why was this election blatantly ALLOWED to be stolen?

Why did Scalia die with a pillow on his head?

And how can anybody over the age of 25 even remotely not be aware of this stuff?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Seemingly two conflicting views:

The ruling class elite run the country.

The powers that be are ordained by God.

The ruling class elite have always run every country. (Because, whoever is running a country is by definition that society's "ruling class elite".) The current crop are wicked because we the people are wicked, and they bear rule because God uses them to punish the sinful people to chastise them into repentance.

Deuteronomy 28:47-48 KJV
Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things ; [48] Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things : and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

[Esaias]

Deuteronomy 17:14-20 KJV
When thou art come unto the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me; [15] Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the Lord thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother. [16] But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the Lord hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way. [17] Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold. [18] And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites: [19] And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the Lord his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them: [20] That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel.

Sin is the transgression of the law. It is therefore a SIN to put people in government who are not themselves BOUND to uphold God's Holy Law.

The wages of sin are death. Eternal death in the lake of fire for the unrepentant individual, and temporal death, decay, slavery, bondage, and oppression for the nation that will not fear God and submit to the Divine Law.

We as a body politic have refused to demand and require godly Christian leaders. Therefore, we get ungodly wicked antichristian leaders. The result?

Proverbs 29:2 KJV
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

This is part of the Divine System of chastisement:

Leviticus 26:14-20 KJV
But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; [15] And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: [16] I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. [17] And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. [18] And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. [19] And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass: [20] And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.

The reason sin produces sorrow and suffering is because firstly, sin separates from God who is the fountain of blessing and happiness, and secondly because the punishments are rehabilitative in purpose as well as retributive. They are designed to motivate people to turn to God, lest they suffer a worse fate.

Learn the lessons of history:

Judges 3:7-9 KJV
And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord, and forgat the Lord their God, and served Baalim and the groves. [8] Therefore the anger of the Lord was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushan-rishathaim eight years. [9] And when the children of Israel cried unto the Lord, the Lord raised up a deliverer to the children of Israel, who delivered them, even Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother.

Judges 3:12-15 KJV
And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the Lord : and the Lord strengthened Eglon the king of Moab against Israel, because they had done evil in the sight of the Lord. [13] And he gathered unto him the children of Ammon and Amalek, and went and smote Israel, and possessed the city of palm trees. [14] So the children of Israel served Eglon the king of Moab eighteen years. [15] But when the children of Israel cried unto the Lord, the Lord raised them up a deliverer, Ehud the son of Gera, a Benjamite, a man lefthanded: and by him the children of Israel sent a present unto Eglon the king of Moab.

Judges 4:1-4 KJV
And the children of Israel again did evil in the sight of the Lord, when Ehud was dead. [2] And the Lord sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles. [3] And the children of Israel cried unto the Lord : for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel. [4] And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

Judges 6:1 KJV
And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord : and the Lord delivered them into the hand of Midian seven years.

Judges 6:6-10 KJV
And Israel was greatly impoverished because of the Midianites; and the children of Israel cried unto the Lord. [7] And it came to pass, when the children of Israel cried unto the Lord because of the Midianites, [8] That the Lord sent a prophet unto the children of Israel, which said unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I brought you up from Egypt, and brought you forth out of the house of bondage; [9] And I delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of all that oppressed you, and drave them out from before you, and gave you their land; [10] And I said unto you, I am the Lord your God; fear not the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but ye have not obeyed my voice

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The ruling class elite have always run every country. (Because, whoever is running a country is by definition that society's "ruling class elite".) The current crop are wicked because we the people are wicked, and they bear rule because God uses them to punish the sinful people to chastise them into repentance.

Deuteronomy 28:47-48 KJV
Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things ; [48] Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things : and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.