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12-28-2021, 06:40 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
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How can punishment be an eternal thing, if someone perishes (seises to exist)?
The “action” of punishment itself, is what is taking place forever in Matt. 25:46….
so to perish would be to stop eternal punishment….no?
Seems kinda conflicting.
I do have quite a bit of catching up to read on this thread, and look forward to doing so….I may have got the cart before the horse by not doing so before posting this comment..
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The result is eternal. There’s no return.
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12-28-2021, 07:01 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
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The result is eternal. There’s no return.
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What I’m having trouble with though is, it says the punishment itself last forever, not the result of the punishment lasting forever.
Maybe I’m just too thick headed…
This(punishment) being nonstop- as apposed to “the result” being nonstop
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/punishment
And if the result is eternal, there is no return…wouldn’t he have called it everlasting perishing, or ever lasting result of punishment, instead of everlasting punishment?
Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to get my mind around this
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12-28-2021, 02:30 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
Daniel 12:2 ESV
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
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12-28-2021, 05:08 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
What does the great gulf fixed between Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man in hell represent?
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12-28-2021, 05:09 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
Also, what does the drop of water on the rich man’s tongue represent?
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12-28-2021, 06:30 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
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Also, what does the drop of water on the rich man’s tongue represent?
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An aperitif to go with the Apocalypse Greens.
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12-28-2021, 06:06 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
My view on hell? Hell bad. Heaven good!
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12-28-2021, 06:21 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
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My view on hell? Hell bad. Heaven good!
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I totally agree.
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12-28-2021, 11:09 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
The English word "hell" is derived from the Old English hel, with a cognate in the Old Norse word "hel", with cognates in other languages as well. It's original source is from the Proto-Germanic feminine noun haljō, which means "concealed place/the underworld".
In Hebrew, there is only one term:
sheol
In Greek, there are three different terms:
hades
tartaroo
gehenna
Sheol and hades correspond to each other, and most specifically to the English word "grave", or "the abode of the dead".
The Greek term tartaroo used only once in 2 Peter 2:4, corresponds to Tartarus, the cosmological prison of the Titans, who, according to Greek mythology, were overthrown by Zeus and the pantheon who accompanied him after the end of the Titanomachy. Simon uses the term in reference to the "angels who sinned".
Lastly, gehenna is the word most people associate with the term "hell", since it is a reference to the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, and is the final destination of everyone whose names are not found in the Book of Life. It corresponds to the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, as found and described in the Holy Scriptures of the Old Covenant (See, e.g. 2 Kings 23:10, 2 Chronicles 28:3, and Jeremiah 7:31-32).
sheol: https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7585.htm
hades: https://biblehub.com/greek/86.htm
tartaroo: https://biblehub.com/greek/5020.htm
gehenna: https://biblehub.com/greek/1067.htm
Tartarus: https://www.greekmythology.com/Other.../tartarus.html
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12-28-2021, 11:14 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
In the parable regarding Lazarus and the Rich Man, Jesus uses the Greek word hades:
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23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
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See: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/16-23.htm
The NIV and ESV, for example, use Hades instead of hell:
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23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
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23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
The question then is, does the use of hades in the Holy Scriptures of the New Covenant correspond to the same Greek mythological and cosmological term, the way tartaroo does with Tartarus.
See: https://www.greekmythology.com/Olymp...des/hades.html
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