Chris reed joins the ministry elite

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Brother? Since you brought it up. What do you tell the people in your (supposedly God’s) congregation about you being a pastor/elder or whatever position you hold in the assembly?

Follow me as I follow Christ.

God called me to be a leader, and that’s exactly what I’m going to do.

God spoke to me 5 months ago at the end of the service to two women that was their second time attending our service. I spoke to this one women, God told me he is going to heal you, but he expects this (not going to say) from you first”
She txted me the next day, she went to her chemotherapy appointment, they scanned her cancer, and it was gone. A Mormon doctor told this lady, this is a complete miracle, your healed. She’s been coming ever since.
Hallelujah, I love the supernatural!!!!

I’ll keep doing what I’m doing, God is good!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

So, is that what you tell the people in your congregation about you being a pastor/elder or whatever position you hold in the assembly?

That's what I tell EVERYBODY, whether it's my wife or the spam caller from India trying to sell me an extension on the warranty for the car I never had.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

That's what I tell EVERYBODY, whether it's my wife or the spam caller from India trying to sell me an extension on the warranty for the car I never had.

So if we tell souls in the congregation or on the street, don’t believe me, just go and read your Bible and believe the words in red and what the apostles said. Then what is the need for preachers?
If we are saved through the foolishness of preaching, then who does the preaching?
If the ministry of Christ was for the perfecting of the saints, did that stop with Paul?
What is an ambassador for Christ?
Can you or I say the same as Paul, “follow me as I follow Christ”?

I believe, teach, and live studying for yourself. However, friend I will never believe not to believe preaching. You’ll become an island all to your lonesome.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

……I will “work out my own salvation with fear and trembling” like the scripture admonishes me to do.

Then just work on that.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Then just work on that.

I’m all over it.

[Amanah]

I was looking at CRs Facebook page on which he posted this on 4/5/22

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/ujX...ibextid=oFDknk

Adultery, scandals, divorce and an explosive ministry, the world has never recovered from...

“They drove me away from the Church Because I was divorced.”
-Kathryn Kuhlman

In one occasion, Kathryn Kuhlman was preaching in a church and someone informed the pastor that she was divorced which led the pastor walking up to the front and grabbing the microphone from her and apologizing to the crowd for having a “false prophet” preaching, she was escorted by the ushers out of the church and ran off town. She wept!

On a rare occasion where Kathryn would address her past she made this comment about her peers during her crisis. “... You know sometimes it’s a thousand times easier to die physically than to keep on living. You see, the Lord forgives, but people don’t.

They’ll drive it in, and they’ll drive it in, and they’ll drive it in, and they’ll drive it in. And they’ll pierce your heart, and they’ll pierce it clear through.

Kathryn Kuhlman died! This was her popular phrase, she would go on to say, it was the price she paid for the glory.

Kathryn remembers vividly the days she died to and carried God's glory.
"It’s much easier to die than to live, death to the flesh and the opinions of this world, that very day at the end of that dead-end street is when I died at four, on a saturday afternoon.
Today, I feel it was part of God’s perfect will for my life.”

For Kathryn Kuhlman, her greatest anointing began to manifest from 49-59 years.
In those days, she walked past people and they collapsed to the floor because of the heavy presence of the Holy Spirit she carried. Healings and strange miracles never before recorded accompanied her ministry till death.
Even through Kathryn Kuhlman was out of public ministry for almost 8 years, when she hit the platform again, the glory of the latter house surpassed the former.
Suddenly all the churches that attacked her because of her divorce, opened their arms wide like they weren’t the ones that almost drove her into suicide.
The anointing was always there. All it needed was activation and constant use. God’s grace is irreversible. He does not change His mind about what He gives, He’s not two-faced. Your perspective or mindset about Him may change, but He does not.
So many have may have left ministry because of one thing or the other, you may have stopped pastoring, holding meetings or whatever form of ministry because of pressures, financial, marital or personal issues, but know that God uses these pressures to bring out His best in us.
Apostle Paul says: we are pressed on every side but not crushed, cast down but not destroyed. The promise always comes after the process.
From Kathryn’s example, we have learned that no one is far too gone, no one is out of God’s use, and instead of driving the word of God against people that are under pressure, let’s help them heal. Let’s get them back on track. Handle that brother or sister with care. God does not just want some individual spiritual giants, He wants to build His body! God is not just interested in your denomination, He wants to build His Church!

HER LAST MEETING..
As everyone left the auditorium, Kathryn walked quietly to the end of the stage. She raised her head and slowly scanned the balcony, as if she was gazing at every seat. It seemed like an eternity. Then, Kathryn dropped her gaze to the second balcony, following every row and every seat with her eyes. Then, she looked at the ground floor, studying every seat.
We can only imagine what was going through Kathryn's mind, the memories, the victories, the healings, the laughter, and the tears. Was it possible that Kathryn knew she would never return to the platform? Was it possible that, at that moment, she said good-bye to her earthly ministry?
In just a little over three weeks from that date, Kathryn passed on into glory in the Hillcrest Medical Center of Tulsa, Oklahoma, after open-heart surgery.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I was looking at CRs Facebook page on which he posted this on 4/5/22

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/ujX...ibextid=oFDknk

Adultery, scandals, divorce and an explosive ministry, the world has never recovered from...

“They drove me away from the Church Because I was divorced.”
-Kathryn Kuhlman

In one occasion, Kathryn Kuhlman was preaching in a church and someone informed the pastor that she was divorced which led the pastor walking up to the front and grabbing the microphone from her and apologizing to the crowd for having a “false prophet” preaching, she was escorted by the ushers out of the church and ran off town. She wept!

On a rare occasion where Kathryn would address her past she made this comment about her peers during her crisis. “... You know sometimes it’s a thousand times easier to die physically than to keep on living. You see, the Lord forgives, but people don’t.

They’ll drive it in, and they’ll drive it in, and they’ll drive it in, and they’ll drive it in. And they’ll pierce your heart, and they’ll pierce it clear through.

Kathryn Kuhlman died! This was her popular phrase, she would go on to say, it was the price she paid for the glory.

Kathryn remembers vividly the days she died to and carried God's glory.
"It’s much easier to die than to live, death to the flesh and the opinions of this world, that very day at the end of that dead-end street is when I died at four, on a saturday afternoon.
Today, I feel it was part of God’s perfect will for my life.”

For Kathryn Kuhlman, her greatest anointing began to manifest from 49-59 years.
In those days, she walked past people and they collapsed to the floor because of the heavy presence of the Holy Spirit she carried. Healings and strange miracles never before recorded accompanied her ministry till death.
Even through Kathryn Kuhlman was out of public ministry for almost 8 years, when she hit the platform again, the glory of the latter house surpassed the former.
Suddenly all the churches that attacked her because of her divorce, opened their arms wide like they weren’t the ones that almost drove her into suicide.
The anointing was always there. All it needed was activation and constant use. God’s grace is irreversible. He does not change His mind about what He gives, He’s not two-faced. Your perspective or mindset about Him may change, but He does not.
So many have may have left ministry because of one thing or the other, you may have stopped pastoring, holding meetings or whatever form of ministry because of pressures, financial, marital or personal issues, but know that God uses these pressures to bring out His best in us.
Apostle Paul says: we are pressed on every side but not crushed, cast down but not destroyed. The promise always comes after the process.
From Kathryn’s example, we have learned that no one is far too gone, no one is out of God’s use, and instead of driving the word of God against people that are under pressure, let’s help them heal. Let’s get them back on track. Handle that brother or sister with care. God does not just want some individual spiritual giants, He wants to build His body! God is not just interested in your denomination, He wants to build His Church!

HER LAST MEETING..
As everyone left the auditorium, Kathryn walked quietly to the end of the stage. She raised her head and slowly scanned the balcony, as if she was gazing at every seat. It seemed like an eternity. Then, Kathryn dropped her gaze to the second balcony, following every row and every seat with her eyes. Then, she looked at the ground floor, studying every seat.
We can only imagine what was going through Kathryn's mind, the memories, the victories, the healings, the laughter, and the tears. Was it possible that Kathryn knew she would never return to the platform? Was it possible that, at that moment, she said good-bye to her earthly ministry?
In just a little over three weeks from that date, Kathryn passed on into glory in the Hillcrest Medical Center of Tulsa, Oklahoma, after open-heart surgery.

I must’ve missed this post.

Chris was married, divorced, and remarried. Committed adultery against his second wife. Maybe his next FaceBook post will be about Earl Paulk?

[Amanah]

Reposting from another thread

Originally Posted by Esaias

Re: the word pastor -

First, the word means 'shepherd'. It is not a title of rank or position since Jesus forbad His followers from receiving, giving, or recognising religious titles amongst themselves. A shepherd's job is to take care of sheep - to feed them and guide them into 'green pastures' so they can be nourished.

Second, there is no 'single pastor of a church' position in Scripture, unless we count Jesus, the 'Chief Pastor', who alone is Head of the church. There are several terms in Scripture used interchangeably - elder, bishop, etc. Every church is to have elderS (plural) - that is the goal of apostolic church planting, to establish a body of believers (mostly new converts) through evangelistic preaching of the word, to teach them the fundamentals of the doctrine of Christ, to encourage them in the faith, etc - in other words, to parent them until they are mature. The local church is mature when elders can be ordained to carry on the work of the apostolic church planter who then (following Paul's example) moves on to the next mission field. The church planter (apostle) does not then 'cut the ties that bind' of the established church, but takes less and less direct oversight of it, that duty belonging to the elders ('bishops' or overseers).

That duty includes being examples to the rest of the believers in godliness, faith, purity of doctrine, purity of lifestyle, righteous deeds, etc. They are responsible for teaching the faithful, both corporately (the whole church) and one-on-one (as Paul did, teaching 'from house to house', always ready to teach anyone and everyone who desired to learn). Thus, visitation is a duty of the elders/bishops of the church. They are accountable for the spiritual condition of the members of the Body, therefore they must take measures to KNOW that condition.

Paul's instructions to timothy are a good starting point for the duties of a pastor/bishop/elder/overseer in the church.

It should be noted that 'apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor/teacher' seem to be descriptive of functions, not offices, whereas elder/bishop and deacon seem to be more along the lines of offices.

God ordains apostles. God ordains prophets. It stands to reason God ordains evangelists and pastor/teachers as well, whereas bishops/overseers/elders are ordained by the church, either via the apostle or his delegate during the time of initial oversight, or by the elders (presbytery) once the church is fully functioning.

And just as a church may have several apostles (a church planting missionary team, for example), several prophets, etc - it may also have several pastors (those who teach and 'feed' the church, elders who have the service of teaching the Body, ie 'teaching elders').

All of this can be seen from Jesus' examples, His commands and teachings to the original Twelve, the book of Acts, and Paul's letters. We also see some of this in Hebrews and John's letters as well.

[Amanah]

all ministry is done in love with the purpose of edification

Originally Posted by Esaias

Noah had a hard time finding a community of like minded believers too. But, I think you may be surprised at how many people there are who are genuinely looking for real apostolic community. Of course, they always have been the minority in the general population. But that doesn't mean they aren't out there.

I would never leave an assembly unless it was absolutely clear that you cannot continue there and still be faithful to God in all things. Sometimes things take time, and you may not be aware of the impact you are having on the people around you for good and for God. Everybody is learning, and at different points in their walk. Our job as God's people is to help everyone we meet to go further with God. Regardless of where they are currently at (assuming they have interest in moving forward). But we cannot expect everyone we meet to just stop, drop, and roll and "get up to (our) speed". Because that isn't practical or realistic, and also because we aren't always up to God's speed anyway. We all are learning and trying to move forward. Patience is a virtue, and God is long-suffering. We should be too.

[diakonos]

I understand that.

The supernatural is through obedience

Then how can they be workers of lawlessness?