NEWSFLASH . . . UPC in Australia on Television! - Page 6

chaotic_resolve · #51 07-30-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

In it's infancy? We didn't have television until 1948. When television first came on the scene it was mandatory by law that it have a certain amount of religious programming, namely Christian. When that law ceased so did mandatory religious programming.

For broadcast networks, in order to have free public license, they must offer a variety of certain programs. This is regulated by the FCC, and hasn't ceased. While this has been mandatory for programming, broadcast stations have only done what was required and no more.

Which "law" are you speaking of that was in force, but has since ceased?

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

If you research the early days of religious programming, it was based more on information. As the 1950s approached religious television held its position until the faith healers went from the tent to the blue screen and televangelism was born. From religious information it evolved to wallet decimation. The public was then whisked into the 1980s with Jim and Tammy Faye and the 700 club.

Where can I find this information?

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Then the trap sprang! Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, and Robert Tilton, all proved charlatans. The television faithful were crushed by the horrible disappointment in being made dupes. To add insult to injury, these television showmen took Christian kindness for weakness. They returned to television, writing books. Tammy Faye returned to television surrounded by homosexuals, advocating their perverted causes.

I have to say the One God Pentecostals are following up a nightmare. To foolishly think we will do better than these individuals is a mistake. Those televangelists are professional entertainers. The public is wise to them and when we saddle up and ride into their view the microscope will come out. I hope there will be no Ronald Nations and Lanny Wolfes found.

So because there have been a few bad ones, in your mind this means that it's pretty much automatic that anyone who is on television will do the very same thing, including UPC ministers.

What about thieving pastors? Using your thought process . . . because there have been several thieving pastors must mean that all pastors are going to be thieves eventually.

StillStanding · #52 07-30-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

My friend get YOUR pastor to go on television he has no restrictions on him yet evidently he does not see the profit of it?

Our pastor is "Old School" when it comes to TV programing!

That will change when there is a succession of pastors in the next year. I think the new blood sees the benefit of having a TV program!

CC1 · #53 07-30-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

Our pastor is "Old School" when it comes to TV programing!

That will change when there is a succession of pastors in the next year. I think the new blood sees the benefit of having a TV program!

About six months ago I was approached by a man who does not go to CC but is tied in who said CC was planning a 2-3 million dollar investment in remodeling and equipment to go on TV. I told him I had not heard anything about that.

Do you know if anything was said at the last business meeting? I have not heard anything over the pulpit.

ChTatum · #54 07-30-2007, 02:42 PM

Regarding National UPC divisions, aren't each sovereign?

I went to the National Convention in Mexico once, and seem to remember there being some differences, which were explained as "sovereign" issues.

chaotic_resolve · #55 07-30-2007, 07:26 PM

Evang.Benincasa · #56 07-30-2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

For broadcast networks, in order to have free public license, they must offer a variety of certain programs. This is regulated by the FCC, and hasn't ceased. While this has been mandatory for programming, broadcast stations have only done what was required and no more.

Which "law" are you speaking of that was in force, but has since ceased?

Where can I find this information?

http://www.religion-online.org/showc...le=1627&C=1582

This may be helpful it mainly deals with the 1950s to 1960s, the law I had in mind I believe was much earlier. This article will give you a good over view.
I will find the exact statement.

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So because there have been a few bad ones,

Few? You think that's a few? Brother please really think about this.

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in your mind this means that it's pretty much automatic that anyone who is on television will do the very same thing, including UPC ministers.

Brother CR, I would hope to God not. What I'm saying is look what those ministers are going to be following and also who is going to represent the UPCI? What if the EX-Sunday School director Ronald Nations would of had a Sunday morning children's show. Think about it.

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

What about thieving pastors? Using your thought process . . . because there have been several thieving pastors must mean that all pastors are going to be thieves eventually.

I like you, you always prove my point. You know what I'm saying. How about the crook being on national television and getting caught?

Who will represent the Apostolic One God Jesus Name people?

Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Faye, Herbert W. Armstrong, Ted Haggard, Jim Whittington, Jack & Rexela Van Impe, Morris Cerullo, WV Grant, Bob Larson, Gene Scott, Kenneth Copeland, Peter Popoff, Ted Garner Armstrong, A.A. Allen, Eral Paulk, does United Pentecostal International want to add themselves to this list? God forbid!

Vote no res# 4

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Evang.Benincasa · #57 07-31-2007, 12:34 AM

This is a pretty good article and has the 1960 ruling.

http://religiousbroadcasting.lib.vir...tvrelinam.html

chaotic_resolve · #58 07-31-2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother CR, I would hope to God not. What I'm saying is look what those ministers are going to be following and also who is going to represent the UPCI? What if the EX-Sunday School director Ronald Nations would of had a Sunday morning children's show. Think about it.

Well, it wouldn't have been able to be swept under the rug, if that's what you're wondering. *grin* HQ would have actually had to address what happened, rather than keeping it "in-house" and under wraps.

Also - it wouldn't be the end of broadcasting or support for broadcasting. People are smart enough to understand that people fail . . . even ministers and those on television. You mentioned earlier TFB who came back to be on television. Even Popoff is back on television.

Evang.Benincasa · #59 07-31-2007, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Well, it wouldn't have been able to be swept under the rug, if that's what you're wondering. *grin* HQ would have actually had to address what happened, rather than keeping it "in-house" and under wraps.

Also - it wouldn't be the end of broadcasting or support for broadcasting. People are smart enough to understand that people fail . . . even ministers and those on television. You mentioned earlier TFB who came back to be on television. Even Popoff is back on television.

Brother, are you saying that a good thing? That Popoff, Jimmy Swaggart, came back to television? Television is an entertainment medium and Tammy Faye totally understood that. When she teamed up with the homosexuals and first started to run the talk show circut Jesus wasn't part of that equation. It was more on the line of mockery. The Ronald Nations ordeal was a horrible situation and the UPCI handled it the best way they could, and hardly swept under the rug. It was in the newspapers, and news stations carried the story. What would have been more difficult if Ronald Nations would have been in the view of national eye? I'm in no way saying that UPCI ministers would even be in that category, God forbid, but what will they be following?
What guidelines will the organization demand for any Brother to go on television and represent the entire organization worldwide? What "IF" an issue arises? Who will represent the One God Apostolic people?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

chaotic_resolve · #60 07-31-2007, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother, are you saying that a good thing? That Popoff, Jimmy Swaggart, came back to television? Television is an entertainment medium and Tammy Faye totally understood that. When she teamed up with the homosexuals and first started to run the talk show circut Jesus wasn't part of that equation. It was more on the line of mockery.

I never said it was a good thing they were back on television. I was speaking of the views willingness to forgive people of past sins and give them another chance. The reason I wrote that is because you made it seem that the UPC would be doomed if one of its ministers was in a scandal. It would not be doomed. People are smart enough to know that within every organization there are good and bad.

As much as I didn't like the lady, I don't believe TFB did what she did in mockery.

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The Ronald Nations ordeal was a horrible situation and the UPCI handled it the best way they could, and hardly swept under the rug. It was in the newspapers, and news stations carried the story. What would have been more difficult if Ronald Nations would have been in the view of national eye? I'm in no way saying that UPCI ministers would even be in that category, God forbid, but what will they be following?

You really believe HQ addressed the issue? When the news broke, the only source I could find was the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. I'm sure there were other local television news stories. The StLPD ran 3 stories, two of which were on RN. Of those two stories, only one (to my knowledge) had any statement from HQ - given by KH. The other story stated that JJ had not returned any calls.

I think HQ did their best to not address the issue. They wanted it - and RN - to go away quickly . . . and in doing so they swept it under the rug. They may have address it in the Forward, I can't remember if they did or not, but they made sure to keep it "in house" and under wraps.

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What guidelines will the organization demand for any Brother to go on television and represent the entire organization worldwide? What "IF" an issue arises? Who will represent the One God Apostolic people?

The UPCI already states that local churches are autonomous, which means they should be able to work without interference and apart from the UPCI. If you must, run a disclaimer stating the local program doesn't necessarily reflect the views of the UPCI.

See, it's sad that instead of thinking about ways to free the situation, you're seeking to put rules and regulations on it. Seems the first thing C/UC's think of is . . . what rules can we put on it? What committee can we form to be in charge of it? How could we control it?

What about the internet? There's more fake ministers and con artists posing as ministers online than there are on tv. Yet that's never stopped you from promoting a website with every post.