UPCI was so strict it was almost Amish: Kings of Leon

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I was raised stricter than strict but I'm not bitter nor do I let it impact my relationship with God. It's not his fault. We were raised so strict that we literally couldn't do anything but go to the mall. We couldn't go to the fair, play arcades games, skating rink (on Christian night), etc. I'm not talking about pants, makeup, whatever. The past isn't something I dwell on. My father, who is also a pastor, has apologized to his kids. He states that he was doing what he thought was best. Am I going to hold that against him? No way! I'm sure some pastors would change things if they could also. It's not an excuse. Get over the hurt and move on. Life is way to short to be bitter.

not everyone can do that...

and the fact that it shouldn't get in the way of our relationship with God doesn't excuse us from blame for those that it did get in the way of thier relationship with God...

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

All of us will answer to God for wrong that we do, if indeed we are guilty and don't repent.

The thing is, I knew these boys and their family.

They were never "oppressed" by draconian pastors that I ever knew of.

Their dad was a nice guy, happy go lucky and a lot of fun.

And he was in no way a conservative or very strict.

I knew these boys and this family also.

I agree, their parents were both great people and alot of fun.

But in the eyes of these boys, their church environment in general was strict.

However, they didn't go down this road they are on now because of being "hurt" by the church. The church and its "strictness" didn't cause them to take this road.

They were greatly affected by their own "home" situation more than anything and ultimately they made their own decisions when they came of age.

They were always a close family. It appears to me that they still love their parents very much. Thus they choose to point their fingers of blame at the church, instead of at their parents who had the greatest affect of all on their lives. I've read some articles where they talk about their dad but they don't condemn him. Instead, they pick on the church. Even their group name is after their dad. Leon is his middle name.

Sorry redeemedcynic...the church is not to blame. It all starts at home.

[rrford]

Got to love those who always point to the "extremes" as the atypical example.

Nice try, but it doesn't wash.

I will never ceased to be amazed by the see-saw rhetoric here. One day the UPCI is Legalistic Tyrants the next it is Liberal Lacky's. Just depends on the thread flavor of the day and which side you want to bash.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

I knew these boys and this family also.

I agree, their parents were both great people and alot of fun.

But in the eyes of these boys, their church environment in general was strict.

However, they didn't go down this road they are on now because of being "hurt" by the church. The church and its "strictness" didn't cause them to take this road.

They were greatly affected by their own "home" situation more than anything and ultimately they made their own decisions when they came of age.

They were always a close family. It appears to me that they still love their parents very much. Thus they choose to point their fingers of blame at the church, instead of at their parents who had the greatest affect of all on their lives. I've read some articles where they talk about their dad but they don't condemn him. Instead, they pick on the church. Even their group name is after their dad. Leon is his middle name.

Sorry redeemedcynic...the church is not to blame. It all starts at home.

Bingo.

Good post, even if you are a Lady Man of God.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

For the crybabies in the thread I've highlighted the second paragraph.

I stumbled on this article this morning simply because Google News Alerts sent it to my inbox. I've been monitoring the secular news for possible stories about the passing of the TV resolution.

As one news channel says ... "We report, you decide" ....

BTW, another story about a rock band boozing it up would not have piqued our interest.

congratulations, on your skillful dodge of the point us "crybabies" provided, all the while taking every opportunity to reinforce your rightness in the matter. You brought a thread title and a singular highlight from an article as today's lesson from the desk of Dan.

Isn't all this opinion sharing wonderful. It is a great day now that discussion boards enable such an immediate interactive quality. People may actually one day be accountable for the issues of their heart that they speak out to the huddled electronic masses.

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Bingo.

Good post, even if you are a Lady Man of God.

Thanks! I think!

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

I knew these boys and this family also.

I agree, their parents were both great people and alot of fun.

But in the eyes of these boys, their church environment in general was strict.

However, they didn't go down this road they are on now because of being "hurt" by the church. The church and its "strictness" didn't cause them to take this road.

They were greatly affected by their own "home" situation more than anything and ultimately they made their own decisions when they came of age.

They were always a close family. It appears to me that they still love their parents very much. Thus they choose to point their fingers of blame at the church, instead of at their parents who had the greatest affect of all on their lives. I've read some articles where they talk about their dad but they don't condemn him. Instead, they pick on the church. Even their group name is after their dad. Leon is his middle name.

Sorry redeemedcynic...the church is not to blame. It all starts at home.

good insight lady rev, we are all responsible for our decisions ultimately, dt

Originally Posted by LadyRev

They were always a close family. It appears to me that they still love their parents very much. Thus they choose to point their fingers of blame at the church, instead of at their parents who had the greatest affect of all on their lives. I've read some articles where they talk about their dad but they don't condemn him. Instead, they pick on the church. Even their group name is after their dad. Leon is his middle name.

Sorry redeemedcynic...the church is not to blame. It all starts at home.

umm... you would have an argument there... and in this case it very well could be thier stuff with thier parents...

But there are many others who feel the same way they do, who fell as much as they did, and were hurt in similar ways...

Yes, thier parent's situation didn't help, but to absolve the church from blame isn't the correct response...

[Coonskinner]

Backsliders always blame the church, their pastor, saints, circumstances, etc.

Rarely do they blame themselves. And when on rare occasions they do put the blame where it belongs, they generally pray through.

[NLYP]

Its a sad story....sad as...Benny Hinn smoking Heroine, Paul Crouch in sex scandal, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, Tammy Faye, Oral Roberts scandal, Without Walls Divorce, Jan Broke a nail, W V Grant wears a miracle ear piece, Peter Popoff is a "Miracle spring water "doorknob, Robert Tilton Farts too much....

Its called SIN...it hits all sides.....