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[DAII]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

You do realize I really don't care what you think... right? Interesting that you just negated true repentance. Nice!

Riiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggght .... and you negate grace, judaizer.

No object lesson here ... move along.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

You do realize I really don't care what you think... right? Interesting that you just negated true repentance. Nice!

TL, take it outside. There are other threads where you can drone on about this tired theme. This thread is current - and it's been an interesting a lively discussion.

[TheLegalist]

want to back up that use of term... antinomian!

[DAII]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

want to back up that use of term... antinomian!

Not unless you are going to insist on my circumcision and take away my pork chops

[TheLegalist]

Eliz... the point was that when he stands before God and thinks he has right standing without sacrifice. God slaps him with... No, not like your degree!

[TheLegalist]

DA... hmm false accusation. Typical!

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Ah! They are operating under some sort of license from Hope University? So they are not accredited, technically, but Hope is and bestows its favor upon Apostolic somethingoranother?

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Yes, but they claimed accredition prior to Hope. I remember hearing about this several years back.

Not sure how they worked that out with Hope. It's surprising to say the least! Hope is probably wanting to beef up with theology department registration? Not sure. They aren't known for theology, that's for sure.

While I cannot/do not "officially" speak "for" AST....I do have some knowledge of their structure and accreditation. AST originally was accredited via a partnership with Patten University (Oakland, CA) through which students of AST received credits with Patten and received two diplomas, one from AST and one from Patten.

Hope University was began in 1928 as Pacific Bible Seminary (Church of Christ if I recall) and received accreditation in 1969. (WASC http://registration.wascsenior.org/i...px?accessID=79) Just as many universities have several schools under their umbrella (i.e. school of medicine, school of law etc.) a little over a year ago AST became Hope's "School of Theology." As such it was the first fully accredited Apostolic college/university.

Originally Posted by Maximilian

AMAZING!

Okay, I tried the link. I also put in schools I thought for sure would have accredition, and they aren't coming up. Maybe through a different accredition association? But if Hope explicitly says WASC, you'd think that was accurate. They could get in SERIOUS trouble for advertising with WASC if they aren't.

Originally Posted by pelathais

I dunno. Going to the school directory at http://www.acswasc.org/directory_search.cfm.

I can't find Apostolic School of Theology nor Hope International.

Hope comes right out on their website claiming accreditation with the WASC. Following the links from Hope's website to the directory at WASC turns up nothing. They do not appear to be accredited with the Western Association any longer, if they were in the past.

Hope also links to the Association for Biblical Higher Education. The ABHE does NOT list them as "Accredited" but as "Programmatic."

"Programmatic" is defined as: http://www.abhe.org/accreditation

"Programmatic Accreditation- Review and recognition of particular programs within an institution that currently holds accreditation with another recognized accrediting body."

BUT... that "other recognized accrediting body" no longer lists Hope International.

Oh, what a wicked web we weave...

If anyone can provide some insight and help for me here, I'd really appreciate it. Just from the websites at the Apostolic School of Theology and Hope International - and following THEIR links to the respective accrediting bodies - These guys ain't accredited.

See above info that proves that Hope and AST are accredited and legit!

Originally Posted by pelathais

What's the difference between the two WASC orgs? Or are they the same org with two different websites? Gonna look at that.

Thanks for the tip Max.

Would it be fair to say that the Apostolic School of Theology has it's accreditation "piggy-back" fashion through Hope Int'l - who has their accreditation "piggy-back fashion" through CCCU?

Someone mentioned multilevel marketing... whew!

No multi level marketing here.....Hope is affiliated with CCCU but maintains accreditation through WASC....and AST is now Hope's "School of Theology"

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by bishoph

While I cannot/do not "officially" speak "for" AST....I do have some knowledge of their structure and accreditation. AST originally was accredited via a partnership with Patten University (Oakland, CA) through which students of AST received credits with Patten and received two diplomas, one from AST and one from Patten.

Hope University was began in 1928 as Pacific Bible Seminary (Church of Christ if I recall) and received accreditation in 1969. (WASC http://registration.wascsenior.org/i...px?accessID=79) Just as many universities have several schools under their umbrella (i.e. school of medicine, school of law etc.) a little over a year ago AST became Hope's "School of Theology." As such it was the first fully accredited Apostolic college/university.





See above info that proves that Hope and AST are accredited and legit!




No multi level marketing here.....Hope is affiliated with CCCU but maintains accreditation through WASC....and AST is now Hope's "School of Theology"

Indeed, maybe the first fully accredited. But it was piggy-back accredition. UGST is itself, as a scholastic entity, fully accredited. That's a HUGE deal.

This is amazing that Hope offered it's theology arm to the AST guys. Again, it's known by everyone that Hope is a liberal arts school. They aren't known for theology. No other theology-focused school would do such a thing.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

notofworks,

I realize that every question hasn't been answered and there are some stones left unturned. However, I think we should allow the man to retreat graciously, if at all possible. I don't want to see anyone or their reputation destroyed--do you? An apology and a removal of the offending information is adequate, in my opinion.

You say it deserves more than a "Oops, I didn't know that" retraction, so what would comprise "more?"

This is not the path of least resistance, NOW .... but also believe you allow for gracious retreat ... and count the lessons learned and assess the big picture...

No doubt this is a stepping stone.

As my wife says .... baby steps.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by DAII

This is not the path of least resistance, NOW .... but also believe you allow for gracious retreat ... and count the lessons learned and assess the big picture...

No doubt this is a stepping stone.

As my wife says .... baby steps.

I typed up 7 responses. I'm not posting any of them. I'll leave it at that.