Apostoic worship??

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by peter83

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But why every time you turn any nice theme in a Sabbath-Law keeping endless conversation?

All I did was wish everyone a happy Sabbath. Others tried to turn THAT into a debate.

So perhaps you need to work on some things.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

All I did was wish everyone a happy Sabbath. Others tried to turn THAT into a debate.

So perhaps you need to work on some things.

Yes.Have a nice week!

[votivesoul]

I think we can take a look at Angelic Worship and find answers for what "Apostolic" worship is supposed to look like.

Check out Isaiah 6:1-10 and the various passages in Revelation. There are others, too, of course.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I think we can take a look at Angelic Worship and find answers for what "Apostolic" worship is supposed to look like.

Check out Isaiah 6:1-10 and the various passages in Revelation. There are others, too, of course.

[votivesoul]

I was recently asked to attend a meeting and teach from the Holy Scriptures. And since I was following up with this thread at the time, and had been reading through Esaias's posts some pages back regarding the Biblical definition of worship, I decided to talk about worship.

The very short version is as follows:

Worship is obedience to the Lord Jesus and the commandments of God.

A bit longer version looks like this:

Singing, jumping, dancing, clapping, shouting, and the like, can all be faked. Some can do that and not be right in their heart. Turning the other cheek, being reconciled to a brother or sister is more an act of worship than any demonstrative thing we can do bodily when a worship leader tells us it's time to "Praise the Lord" then dives into a four song an we're out, time for announcements, type of setting.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I was recently asked to attend a meeting and teach from the Holy Scriptures. And since I was following up with this thread at the time, and had been reading through Esaias's posts some pages back regarding the Biblical definition of worship, I decided to talk about worship.

The very short version is as follows:

Worship is obedience to the Lord Jesus and the commandments of God.

A bit longer version looks like this:

Singing, jumping, dancing, clapping, shouting, and the like, can all be faked. Some can do that and not be right in their heart. Turning the other cheek, being reconciled to a brother or sister is more an act of worship than any demonstrative thing we can do bodily when a worship leader tells us it's time to "Praise the Lord" then dives into a four song an we're out, time for announcements, type of setting.

And with that, I took a few examples from the Scriptures on obedience:

Wives obeying their husbands
Children obeying their parents
Servants obeying their masters (e.g. employees obeying their bosses)
Obeying civil authorities

Obeying in these areas is worship unto the Lord simply because He commands us to do it. To not do so is disobedience, and are therefore, transgressions against the One we claim to love and serve.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I was recently asked to attend a meeting and teach from the Holy Scriptures. And since I was following up with this thread at the time, and had been reading through Esaias's posts some pages back regarding the Biblical definition of worship, I decided to talk about worship.

The very short version is as follows:

Worship is obedience to the Lord Jesus and the commandments of God.

A bit longer version looks like this:

Singing, jumping, dancing, clapping, shouting, and the like, can all be faked. Some can do that and not be right in their heart. Turning the other cheek, being reconciled to a brother or sister is more an act of worship than any demonstrative thing we can do bodily when a worship leader tells us it's time to "Praise the Lord" then dives into a four song an we're out, time for announcements, type of setting.

In this thread I have been focused on the corporate acts of divine service more so than the individual acts of worship (such as alms, obedience to God's commands, etc). They must all be in place to be a true worshipper of God, otherwise, our service is defective. We should not ignore one class in favour of another.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Esaias

In this thread I have been focused on the corporate acts of divine service more so than the individual acts of worship (such as alms, obedience to God's commands, etc). They must all be in place to be a true worshipper of God, otherwise, our service is defective. We should not ignore one class in favour of another.

I agree. But since, in so many people's mind, the pendulum has swung so far as to think that worship is just a twenty minute thing a church does once or twice a week, while some songs are playing, by attempting to swing the pendulum back to the middle, for the sake of balance, I downplayed the role of singing, dancing, and etc., to make the point.

Of course, I explained those things are a part of worship, too, but everything in their proper order.

For me, worship is just as much a solitary experience from day to day, that also includes a corporate experience whenever a church assembles. No limitations for either, but let's just make sure everyone believes and understands that worship is how you treat your spouse, your co-workers, your neighbors, the waitress at the restaurant, and etc., that has nothing to do with music, or shouting, or other expressions with which we are familiar.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I agree. But since, in so many people's mind, the pendulum has swung so far as to think that worship is just a twenty minute thing a church does once or twice a week, while some songs are playing, by attempting to swing the pendulum back to the middle, for the sake of balance, I downplayed the role of singing, dancing, and etc., to make the point.

Of course, I explained those things are a part of worship, too, but everything in their proper order.

For me, worship is just as much a solitary experience from day to day, that also includes a corporate experience whenever a church assembles. No limitations for either, but let's just make sure everyone believes and understands that worship is how you treat your spouse, your co-workers, your neighbors, the waitress at the restaurant, and etc., that has nothing to do with music, or shouting, or other expressions with which we are familiar.

Excellent! Very good!

I hope they took it to heart. So many these days seem to like hearing someone flex their oratorical muscles but don't want to actually put anything into action.

[Truthseeker]

What some call worship today is mostly hype up services.